#indieweb 2020-07-13
2020-07-13 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://matienzo.org/2020/194/hugofy/
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jdp i didn't get any email like that from tumblr
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aaronpk You've even received one before! https://indieweb.org/Tumblr#Releasing_inactive_accounts
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# [Ana_Rodrigues] never got that email either and I have quite a few inactive blogs
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[KevinMarks] I get birthday cake images from tumblr, and emails telling me to read fluffy more
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shoesNsocks This tumblr email stuff was also mentioned on Metafilter today: https://ask.metafilter.com/346538/Tumblr-no-longer-thinks-I-exist
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# [LewisCowles] Good Morning IndieWeb (even if it's not morning)
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# [Alex_Cabrera] 👋 Hi everyone. I’ve been following various IndieWeb projects for a while and am really excited about taking a deeper dive. I’m a partner at a studio called Marquee and we build a custom CMS solution called Proof.
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[chrisaldrich] Good morning [Alex_Cabrera]! What's your website?
# [chrisaldrich] tantek, I just got one of those tumblr emails yesterday and thought the same thing. I think this is the second round of them that I've seen.
# [Alex_Cabrera] Hey [chrisaldrich]. My personal website is a simple placeholder one-pager (https://alexcabrera.me), I’m working on a micropub implementation that runs off our CMS (https://proof.pub) to power that website as an experiment. You can check out some of the work our studio has produced over at https://marquee.studio.
# [chrisaldrich] Oooo... another CMS supporting micropub! That's exciting. 🎉 If you run into issues along the way, be aware that there's a #indieweb-dev channel for help.
# [chrisaldrich] [Alex_Cabrera] does it already support Webmention too?
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# [Alex_Cabrera] ↩️ We’ve implemented it on a couple of websites, but it’s not baked into our editorial tools yet. Proof is a headless CMS and we build custom dashboard and content creation tools on one side of it for our clients and NextJS-powered websites on the other.
# [Alex_Cabrera] ↩️ Our editorial tools are a fancy way of tricking writers into creating content as structured data. Our current version uses a heavily massaged DraftJS instance for writing, but we’re currently migrating to Prosemirror
# [chrisaldrich] As a headless CMS, I think you'll get a lot of mileage out of Micropub then.
# [Alex_Cabrera] Yes, very excited about that. It seems to provide a nice, systematic way of structuring our output. It’s a very well-thought-out spec.
# [chrisaldrich] What is Prosemirror?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Prosemirror" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Prosemirror is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [Alex_Cabrera] We do quite a few email newsletters that include web interfaces, and I’d love to play around with the ability to reply to individual issues of the newsletter by providing some space on-site for readers to contribute.
# [chrisaldrich] The editor video on the Proof homepage looks a lot like the Quill micropub client. 🙂
# [Alex_Cabrera] Prosemirror is best thought of a framework for writing rich-text editors on the web that stores data as JSON objects instead of markup https://prosemirror.net/
# [chrisaldrich] What is a newsletter?
# Loqi A newsletter is a regularly scheduled email that is sent out on a specific topic to an email list https://indieweb.org/newsletter
# [chrisaldrich] [Alex_Cabrera] There are some interesting examples of newsletter integrations and explorations on that ^^ page if you haven't found them.
# [Alex_Cabrera] oh nice! We currently sync with MailChimp or use Amazon’s AWS SES for delivery. A good example of one of our newsletters is https://californiasun.co
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# [Alex_Cabrera] What I’d like to do is give California Sun members a place to write and respond to emails publicly, and then feed those responses back to the editors for inclusion into future newsletter editions. I’m thinking Micropub’s reply/webmention support would be a great way to structure that and communicate back to the Proof editorial tools
# [Alex_Cabrera] oops, client goof’ed their certs. Link should be https://www.californiasun.co
# [chrisaldrich] That is pretty cool looking.
# [Alex_Cabrera] thanks!
# [chrisaldrich] And useful since I'm in the LA area.
# [Alex_Cabrera] lots to experiment with.
# [Alex_Cabrera] oh nice. yeah, it’s a fantastic newsletter. I’m usually in Miami and was reading it well before it was a client. It’s a very small operation, but the editor does a great job with it.
# [chrisaldrich] ProseMirror reminds me that I need to get back to tinkering with iA Writer which just added Micropub support.
# [Alex_Cabrera] ha! that’s what prompted me to get back into exploring micropub more seriously.
# [chrisaldrich] Maybe we should nudge ProseMirror to support micropub on a public instance?
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# [Alex_Cabrera] The focus of that project is probably a bit lower-level than that, but we’ve been toying with the idea of a very streamlined version of Proof that would be geared towards individuals.
# [chrisaldrich] Yes, it looks more like a tool, but if someone were to maintain a publicly accessible version that had IndieAuth and micropub integration, it would make a rather clever universal editor interface as a micropub client.
# [Alex_Cabrera] IndieAuth would solve a lot of implementation issues on our end 🤔
# [chrisaldrich] There have been a lot of people jumping into the newsletter space as an easy way to blog, so there is a lot of cross-over in that space. Most newsletter services are really just online blogs that send email.
# [Alex_Cabrera] Yup, that’s how we started. The trick is to not store your content as markup so that you can deliver a native experience on the web as well as in email clients where what you can accomplish is a lot more limited.
# [chrisaldrich] [Alex_Cabrera] you might look at RelMeAuth as a quick stopgap before you've got full IndieAuth implementation built. I relied on it for ages before GWG created an plugin for WordPress.
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# [chrisaldrich] What is RelMeAuth?
# Loqi RelMeAuth is an authentication method that uses personal URL for identity that rel-me link to established OAuth provider(s) to perform the actual authentication https://indieweb.org/RelMeAuth
# [Alex_Cabrera] Nice. Great tip. I had been looking at using the custom function option in MongoDB Realm to implement a IndieAuth authentication provider. https://docs.mongodb.com/realm/authentication/custom-function/
# [chrisaldrich] If we stick to the technical direction of this chat, we should move over to the #indieweb-dev channel since we're using an awful lot of /jargon.
# [chrisaldrich] I've got to head out to a meeting in a few as well, but I'm sure others are around if you need some help. Welcome to the IndieWeb [Alex_Cabrera]!
# [Alex_Cabrera] Thanks so much!
# [chrisaldrich] [Alex_Cabrera] I should mention that there will likely be a pop up session on Micropub with some area experts coming up shortly: https://indieweb.org/2020/Pop-up/Sessions#Micropub
# [chrisaldrich] tantek, I was too and thought I'd provide the nudge before we were exchanging lines of code. 🙂
# [chrisaldrich] Though honestly a lot of the most offending jargony words were in definitions coming from Loqi themself.
# [chrisaldrich] Can Loqi's jargon detector be tripped by Loqi?
# [chrisaldrich] While I'm thinking about it...
# [chrisaldrich] What are Loqi's pronouns?
# Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/User:Loqi.me
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# [chrisaldrich] [Alex_Cabrera]++ for first(?) contribution to the wiki in /ProseMirror.
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# [chrisaldrich] GWG: lgtm and based on discussion over the weekend it should work for others...
# [chrisaldrich] I'll await your webmention! 🙂
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "upvoting" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "upvoting is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "upvote" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "upvote is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[grantcodes] I do reddit upvotes -> likes
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# [KevinMarks] Do you want down votes too?
# [KevinMarks] There are vote links, but they're a but old school
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# [chrisaldrich] I almost used Slack to give that a thumbs up, but then realized jacky wouldn't see it...
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