#indieweb 2020-08-19

2020-08-19 UTC
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c2b3 hey everyone 8)
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mayakate[m] <Loqi "[indienews] New post: "Adding St"> This makes me wonder if Calibre can export that data in a useful way. They've been aces for me at finding metadata.
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jacky what's up c2b3?
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jacky mayakate[m]: kinda same
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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Ruxton おはよう Zegnat
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Zegnat Anyone doing any fun IndieAuth projects today?
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Zegnat Slip of the tongue: IndieWeb projects. Just that mine is IndieAuth, haha
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ndegruchy Not insofar. Trying to decide what parts I *need*, and what I can do without. Micropub/sub is out, but I'm considering pubsubhubbub/webpub and webmention, but how to work those in is down the list
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[jgmac1106] and camp comes to a close: http://sophialagredelle.tech-4-teens.club/2020/08/18/tech4teens/
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Loqi I’m sad that I’m leaving the tech4teens program but I can’t wait for next summer! Bye everyone have a great school year 🙂
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ndegruchy Finally got an itches list: https://notes.degruchy.org/pages/indieweb.html
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mayakate[m] I have a question about webmention etiquette--does that belong in this channel or another one?
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aaronpk sounds on topic if it's not a development question!
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mayakate[m] well, sort of. I learned that webmentions are supposed to be resent on updates to content.
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mayakate[m] does that mean that it's okay to risk no-op webmentions (where no relevant change had occurred), or is that putting a burden on the recipient?
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mayakate[m] > update a post: send Webmentions to every link in the post before the update and after the update
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mayakate[m] Whatever Most People Are Doing is a fine answer
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aaronpk half and half i'd say
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aaronpk recipients definitely should be able to handle receiving multiple webmentions from a post even if the post doesn't change
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aaronpk (and not show them as duplicates for example)
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aaronpk and plenty of people send them this way especially in the case of static site build processes
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mayakate[m] <aaronpk "and plenty of people send them t"> you caught me :)
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aaronpk but at some point it becomes kind of spammy to send that many all the time
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mayakate[m] right, I don't want to clutter logs and such. I'll keep poking at my setup and see what I can manage.
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jamietanna I used to send webmentions to everything mentioned on my site, all the time, for quite some time, and I know a lot of folks complained (kinda rightfully so, but also the spec does say to handle duplicates) https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/10/30/reader-mail-webmention-spam/
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[fluffy] yeah it’s one of those things where like, yeah, receivers should handle duplicates, but senders should also avoid sending duplicates.
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[schmarty] dang i really need a tool that indexes all the posts in my indie reader subscriptions for searching after the fact.
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ndegruchy apache solr?
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[tantek] it's more like senders should avoid overzealous pinging
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[tantek] oops that's more dev
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jacky yeah tbh I end up just sending them anyhow
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aaronpk so i just discovered that twitter has not one, but two separate lists of DMs *on top of* the main list of DMs
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jacky it's like "whose burden is it to bare?" in a lot
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jacky the requests and the 'others'
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aaronpk Messages, Message Requests, and Additional Messages
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aaronpk except I can't find how to navigate to Additional Messages
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jacky I think it's the bottom of Message Requests
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aaronpk omg it is
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aaronpk my list is so long i didn't think there was a bottom
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jacky lolol
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jacky def a UX issue
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jacky ndegruchy: there's a small typo on your itch pages
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jacky *itches page
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jacky WebMenitions
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ndegruchy Ah! Someone read it! I'll have that corrected
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jacky :)
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ndegruchy Fixed!
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jacky :D
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ndegruchy jacky: And there it is: https://git.degruchy.org/nathan/n.d.o/commit/0f26b16ae37b6463ed650da1d018a62408528fae
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jacky nice
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jacky I should update my list of itches
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jacky I've been doing it in a 'stream' on my site
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jacky https://v2.jacky.wtf/tags/itches
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jacky but it's not in chronological order (it seems)
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Loqi +1
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jacky oh which reminds me of this page https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/28fb77c6-948f-46db-98de-7af6db593449
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Loqi [Jacky Alciné] A mockup of what I want the preview view to look like. Going to add a bit more interactivity to it when I get my Microsub logic working. Planning to use Phoenix.LiveView to give it a client-side feel while still keeping it with the server-side render... https://v2.jacky.wtf/media/image/entry%2428fb77c6-948f-46db-98de-7af6db593449/Screen%20Shot%202019-09-02%20at%2023.45.44-fullpage.png?v=original
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jacky probably doesn't even exist anymore lol
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jacky hm _tbh_
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jacky (goes back #indieweb-dev)
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