#indieweb 2020-08-24

2020-08-24 UTC
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[tantek] Oooh I'm interested in hearing more details about "glitch with letsencrypt" please if it's not a imminent vulnerability [eddie]
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mayakate[m] <[tb] "So I feel like I should have a f"> Mastodon is the best thing right now for being able to actually engage in back and forth conversations with ActivityPub, but if all you're looking is to publish your stuff in a format that people can consume via ActivityPub, there's a great project with paid hosting (write.as) and self-hostable source (http://writefreely.org/) that optimizes for blogging and is my current
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mayakate[m] outstanding recommendation for people who are looking for "Medium but not Medium"
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[tantek] [tb] really the question is what problem are you trying to solve that AP seems like the answer to
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[fluffy] yeah twitter-like functionality is the only thing that AP seems to have any mindshare for that h-feed/rss/atom+websub doesn’t have a natural fit for, and the only reason mastodon even uses AP for that was they could hack in the crappy wish-it-were-private posting.
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[fluffy] originally mastodon used OStatus, which is atom+websub :P
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[tantek] indeed. that being said, it's good that they're at least trying with the private-posting, that needs lots more incubation and experimenting to explore the problem cases and figure out better protocols.
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[tantek] ostatus never quite got private posts "working" AFAIK, despite the serious attempts e.g. the attempts at doing private feeds with the WebSub protocol (that 2010 blog post). the cross-site "follow" functionality work reasonably well from my understanding, so that's another thing that needs a better building block for arbitrary cross-site following.
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[Murray] !tell [James_Gallaghe] on notes sections: I know a lot of people use notes as a sort of information store. There are quite a few related ideas around it (second brain, zettelkasten, digital garden => I think the /commonplace_book on the wiki has a good overview), but effectively somewhere to archive the things you've read, bookmarks, ideas, etc. in a way that a) you own and b) you can search or build your own data links with. Certainly that's why I
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[Murray] have "notes" on my site, plus it's a useful way of easily adding likes/bookmarks etc. in for webmentions to people. 🙂
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[James_Gallaghe] Thanks, [Murray]! I’m thinking a good place to start would be to generate a feed from my Pocket to show content that I’ve read and work from there. I’ve still got so much to do!
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[James_Gallaghe] Part of my web development philosophy is to try and do more with less. So, I’m trying to stick with static sites where I can. It’s proven to be an interesting journey. [Murray] Can you share a link to your site?
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[Murray] sure, it's https://theadhocracy.co.uk
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Loqi Murray Adcock.
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[Murray] And agreed on the more-with-less/static sites. I'm a partial convert; my site itself is static, but I still prefer the authoring workflow of a CMS, so I have a headless install of Craft going as well
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[James_Gallaghe] Interesting. I am weighing whether to move away from Jekyll to my own static site engine. I love the convenience of Jekyll but I also feel as if adding in integrations is quite verbose.
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[Murray] The idea of supporting my own engine is terrifying 😄 I'm happy on Gatsby, there's a robust plugin ecosystem for a lot of integrations, and thankfully because most data flows through the CMS I really only have to worry about upkeep on the API I have for that
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[James_Gallaghe] Yeah haha. I’ve been doing things like creating static sites from an Airtable doc and I’ve been using Flask to generate the pages. I host them on subdomains because I can’t be bothered to figure out how to use Ruby to build them right now 🙂
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[eddie] tantek: I think it was that I restarted my server and the CRON job didn’t start up somehow
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[eddie] I’ve also been having issues with disk space on the server
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[eddie] So I think it’s more just a server admin thing than an actual problem with let’s encrypt.
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[eddie] GWG thanks! I’ll try not to be. lol life’s been crazy
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Using MeiliSearch with Pelican" https://www.kappawingman.com/posts/webdev/2020/07/03/using-meilisearch-with-pelican/
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[tantek] [eddie] that’s exactly the kind of “automation failure” that I’m curios about. Something I’ve worried about with “cron” or any automated processes like that on my personal server. How do you automate watching the automation? Both so that it’s running (and not stopped) and so it’s not running out of control (eating all the memory or storage)
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jjuran The specific issue of cron failing to run because the host was asleep at the appointed time was addressed by a package called "anacron"
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[snarfed] the answer is monitoring. ideally at multiple levels, but even a single level gets you 95-99% of the value
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[schmarty] what is monitoring?
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Loqi monitoring is automated collection of a site or app's vital stats, e.g https://indieweb.org/monitoring
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[schmarty] lotta jargon on that page
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[tantek] Maybe that’s more #indieweb-dev though. I’m not sure casual users want to worry about any “automation” at all beyond alarm clocks and repeating events :)
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[tantek] Who monitors the monitors?
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[tantek] That was a dev response to what I wrote about automation, not y’all, to be clear. (Delayed Slack 🤦‍♂️)
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[snarfed] right! end users shouldn’t deal with automation or monitoring. eddie using a cron job puts him squarely in dev land. end users should just expect and choose hosts that have good uptime and track records (probably via automation, monitoring, etc internally)
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[snarfed] (end-user-friendly automation like ifttt, ios shortcuts, etc are obviously exceptions)
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[tantek] if only iOS shortcuts was actually friendly (I've found it totally opaque to debug 😞 )
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[tb] > really the question is what problem are you trying to solve that AP seems like the answer to
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[tb] [tantek] I think the simplest answer to this one for me right now is that I'd like to own my interactions that take place in some of the fediverse communities like the Ruby one
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[tantek] makes sense [tb]!
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[tb] BUT I think after some more reading through specs and whatnot, I have my hands plenty full with the other first class IndieWeb protocols still 🙂 So I'll probably just end up deploying a Mastodon instance
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[tb] Made a huge update to my website theme and backend over the weekend though and tonyburns.net now supports (albeit manually) bookmarks, reposts, replies, likes, photos, notes, and articles!
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[tb] Sending webmentions and doing discovery on citations is next on the list
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[tb] And then I think I'll be ready to start working on some basic syndications to Twitter and Flickr
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[tantek] amazing! great work [tb]++
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Loqi [tb] has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (5 in all channels)
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[tb] Thanks [tantek]! Joining the community here has really done wonders for me — pulled me out of a slump I've been in on coding on things outside of work
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jacky hey y'all
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[snarfed] hey jacky!
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sknebel 👋
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[James_Gallaghe] Hey [jacky]!
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jacky how's everyone today? anyone scratching an indieweb itch?
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jacky I posted this and got a lot more responses than I expected https://twitter.com/jackyalcine/status/1297669737896239104
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@jackyalcine Do you have a blog? 🥰 personal website where you write? 🥰 your own lil' corner of the Web? 🥰 lemme see! (twitter.com/_/status/1297669737896239104)
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jacky (going to backfeed it soon)
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jacky agh that also reminds me that emojis don't save in the content when I post them to my site :(
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[snarfed] nice! worked on docs a bit recently for my part. https://granary.readthedocs.io/ , https://bridgy.readthedocs.io/ , https://oauth-dropins.readthedocs.io/
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jacky ooooh
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jacky didn't know these sites had docs!
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jacky ah they're dev centric; still interesting
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[snarfed] yup! granary and o-d are dev tools, and those bridgy docs are for contributors. bridgy user docs are https://brid.gy/about
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[jacky] Hmm nice
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GWG jacky: I am extremely itchy
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[tantek] I'm missing the ability to search across IndieWeb sites
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[tantek] and for that matter, News articles more than a year or so old (Google News has an very short window 😞 )
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[manton] Hi folks! We’ve been improving our photoblogging app Sunlit and I think the latest version is really coming together. If anyone still wants to try the beta, there’s screenshots and a link here. It does require Micro.blog, but it can post to any WordPress or Micropub-compatible blog. https://www.manton.org/2020/08/24/we-just-sent.html
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Loqi [Manton Reece] We just sent another Sunlit 3.0 beta to TestFlight folks. Here are a few screenshots. There’s a TestFlight sign-up link on the web site.
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GWG [manton]: Not an iOS user, sorry
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[manton] One day we’ll have an Android version. I actually just started playing with Android Studio again recently.
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[manton] We’ve also been talking about supporting Microsub so that it doesn’t require Micro.blog, but that’s also a project for another day.
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GWG [manton]: Hope you find it enjoyable
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[snarfed] [tantek] https://snarfed.org/2018-11-30_indieweb-google-custom-search-engine
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[tantek] snarfed, this is a subset of Google's index right? if so, it's quite sparse (missing lots of things)
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[tantek] Google has really dropped the ball on thoroughly indexing simple websites. not sure what's going on there
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[snarfed] yes, it’s google
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[tantek] like literaly the *basics* of searching the web, I mean why would only want to search a random 5-10% of a website? (which is what I feel Google is indexing of my site and other indieweb sites like [KevinMarks], and indieweb.org, microformats.org etc.)
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[tantek] IMO they've the left the door open to someone building an actual thorough index of "good" sites, like actual content not js;dr
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[snarfed] there’s now also https://searchmysite.net/ , which i’m a bit skeptical of, but at least does exist
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[tantek] lol searched it for indieweb
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[chrisaldrich] Interesting to see this article on page A14 of the Sunday LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-08-22/how-to-build-website-cheap-easy