#indieweb 2020-09-21

2020-09-21 UTC
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[frank] What am I doing wrong? I updated a blogpost from last week to syndicate to news.indieweb.org/nl. The article can be found on https://diggingthedigital.com/een-sociaal-netwerk-via-je-nieuwsbrief-en-eigen-site/
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[frank] I added a last line with a link to https://news.indieweb.org/nl
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[frank] So I tried to do a manual webmention with the following statement
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[frank] `curl https://news.indieweb.org/nl/webmention -i -d target=https://news.indieweb.org/nl -d source=https://diggingthedigital.com/een-sociaal-netwerk-via-je-nieuwsbrief-en-eigen-site/`
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[frank] After I saved the article, it wasn't found on https://news.indieweb.org/nl
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[frank] But this gave an error "Could not find a syndication or category link for this entry to news.indieweb.org"
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[frank] I also tried to send a webmention to
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[frank] curl https://news.indieweb.org/en/webmention -i -d target=https://news.indieweb.org/nl -d source=https://diggingthedigital.com/een-sociaal-netwerk-via-je-nieuwsbrief-en-eigen-site/
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[frank] as it says in the instructions on https://news.indieweb.org/how-to-submit-a-post but this gave the same error. The instructions are not clear enough for me to know which addresses should go where with a manual webmention.
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[frank] I also tried the submit page on https://news.indieweb.org/nl/submit but I get the same error. When I check the markup on the page, everything looks fine to me. http://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiggingthedigital.com%2Feen-sociaal-netwerk-via-je-nieuwsbrief-en-eigen-site%2F shows a syndication property under the h-entry.
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Loqi [Frank Meeuwsen] Ik bedacht me zojuist dat er nóg een fijne bijkomstigheid is nu ik mijn OPEN nieuwsbrief op mijn eigen site publiceer en verstuur als nieuwsbrief. Ik gebruik webmentions op mijn site, een gratis plugin voor WordPress en open protocol wat weinig stuk...
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[frank] So now I'm a bit stumped on what to do next to submit a blogpost to news.indieweb.org. Any help is appreciated.
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[frank] Once I have this figured I will send a pull request to update the instructions :-)
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swentel [frank], I think (but not 100%, just comparing with how I do it), is that it needs a u-category class
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swentel the link I mean
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swentel hmm
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swentel nevermind
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[frank] Just tried it... no such luck
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swentel reading the docs that u-syndication should work too
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Loqi Microformats... that's a lot of dev jargon! can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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[frank] sorry Loqi
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[frank] Moving to dev
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GWG Should being able to migrate your data be more emphasized as part of the own your data principles?
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aaronpk i consider that part of "own your data". looking at the current text, it's the least descriptive of the principles right now
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aaronpk "**Own your data.** Your content, your metadata, your identity."
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petermolnar (rare case of bringing a topic over from -chat): GWG it depends, and ad usual, complicated. If the ownership is about the power of publication, than the content is secondary, so the main principle is indeed ownership of the means of publishing, hence domains. If the ownership is more about owning the content, the data, etc. than our principles are not organised accordingly.
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GWG Me too, but maybe we need to discuss expanding it in light of the recent comment.
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GWG petermolnar: Isn't it both?
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petermolnar in our current context, in my opinion, no, because owning your domain always comes first and always stressed more.
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petermolnar for me, who'd moved across so many services that were grinded by time, it's owning the canonical version the content
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GWG How does one amend a principle? Other than simply editing the page?
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GWG In this case, expand the explanation?
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petermolnar one doesn't simply amend a principle
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GWG Where do we build consensus?
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petermolnar oi, Loqi?!
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GWG Organizer meeting?
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petermolnar I don't know, honestly. It could be me misreading it.
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GWG Maybe a blog post to have discussion around it?
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GWG petermolnar: What is ownership? Is it just the canonical location or that and the data? I would say both.
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petermolnar that is difficult to answer; I'd say the data. The having control over the canonical location sound more like a right, than owning.
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petermolnar but then... it's sort of the same
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petermolnar so probably the best approach is yes, both.
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GWG Thus, we should elaborate on the principle with consensus
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GWG What is own your data?
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Loqi own your data is an IndieWeb principle with two key parts: 1) your data lives primarily on your own domain, and 2) you maintain usable access to it over time https://indieweb.org/own_your_data
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petermolnar Yeah, that doesn't sound complete. "Owning" also means, especially in terms of owning the publication context, to redact or withdraw, 410 something, etc, which conflicts 2).
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GWG petermolnar: You maintain access, not everyone
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GWG If you decide to take it down...you still decided that
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petermolnar yes, but it contradicts 2). I could decide to delete it.
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GWG I don't think it does, but...
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GWG I think clarity is needed
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[tantek] No it’s in the context
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[tantek] You maintain usable access *for you*
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[tantek] Feels like it takes deliberate misinterpretation to think otherwise in that context
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GWG [tantek]: Do you think that the fact it is the least elaborated on of the principles on the/principles page is worth addressing?
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[tantek] Probably
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