#indieweb 2020-11-13
2020-11-13 UTC
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[snarfed] my first tweet to go viral: https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/1326026386469908481 . bridgy is…mostly…keeping up? https://snarfed.org/2020-11-09_42309
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@schnarfed "One could write an entire book on what this chart shows us." - @MaxCRoser https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emb9-FvU8AA3km1.png (twitter.com/_/status/1326026386469908481)
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# reed [snarfed]: what theme do you use?
# reed your site looks really good!
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# reed never mind, I found it :)
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# reed sort of... you must have patched Ryu heavily to get where it is now :)
# Kadus halu .. asl pls
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[jgmac1106] [manton] people are trying to find out more about Teams on LinkedIn as they see me now posting from micro.blog is there a good page to send them to?
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[manton] [jgmac1106] That’s great! Probably the best page right now is the help: https://help.micro.blog/2020/teams/
# [jgmac1106] I will write up a review at Camp I can share, something less technical, you are welcome to it, just trying the LinkedIn integration going to reply to a reply and see what happens
# [jgmac1106] (wonders if he is only multi account holder constantly signing in and out of micropub clients)
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# aryan_ hello
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petermolnar hello, aryan_, what brought you to our little corner of the internet?
# aryan_ Oh hey, I didn't think anyone would reply. I just got on IRC and since I'm a web developer I stumbled across this particular chat room
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jeremycherfas Well, welcome anyway. Do you have a domain of your own?
# aryan_ like a portfolio? Not really, I do have a github though
# jeremycherfas It could be a portfolio. Really just a home on the internet.
# petermolnar if you'd like to read more about #indieweb, we have a wiki, with a lot of thoughts and ideas; for example: https://indieweb.org/why
# aryan_ Wow the idea of an indie web sounds so cool! Similar to something in the show Silicon Valley!
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# jeremycherfas Or like the actual internet about 20 years ago.
# petermolnar make that ~13, pre-iphone :)
# aryan_ Is the indie web pretty active?
# jeremycherfas Let's not split hairs.
# jeremycherfas Where is snarfed's map when you need it?
# [jgmac1106] Okay I added a session idea for Poetry at this weekend's camp
# jeremycherfas Yes, and depending on where you are aryan_ you could dive straight in at an online camp this weekend.
# [jgmac1106] What is IndieMap?
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Loqi indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 https://indieweb.org/indiemap
# jeremycherfas Thanks [jgmac1106]
# [jgmac1106] hey I put in a poetry session for this weeks camp would anyone be interested in a session on to-do lists? wanna get back into practice
# petermolnar aryan_: yes, we are fairly active. There's going to be a free online event this weekend: https://indieweb.org/2020/East if you'd like to join.
# jeremycherfas I have to run. [jgmac1106] can you please link aryan_ to the next IWC?
# [jgmac1106] When is the next IWC?
# Loqi IndieWebCamp West Coast was an online IndieWebCamp June 27-28, 2020; the first 100% online IndieWebCamp based on Pacific Time Zone hours https://indieweb.org/next-iwc
# [jgmac1106] oops...luckily petermolnar already did
# aryan_ I'll make sure to be there!
# jeremycherfas Latency--
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# fourtonfish Good morning, everyone! I recently made a WordPress plugin for embedding tweets without loading Twitter's huge and privacy-invading scripts. I'd love to share it around a bit and get some feedback, I hope it's okay to post a link here. https://wordpress.org/plugins/tembeds/
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# fourtonfish Yep, over at https://github.com/fourtonfish/tweet-embeds-wordpress-plugin. Also to add, the plugin asks you to create a developer account and provide API keys, but it does work without those, you just don’t get number of likes/retweets and images in the tweets, but at least the tweets are styled properly.
# fourtonfish This is mentioned in the plugin settings, but I also added it to the plugin description.
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# reed !tell [eddie] thanks, the authentication with Indiegenous now works ... now I can focus on the issue with the 403 error
# reed i have no idea how to debug this... when I try to post to my wordpress from wrimini and indiegenous I get a 403 error "unauthorized"... I don't know what changed in wordpress though
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# [Jan_Lukas_Else] There seems to be a lot of frustration about the IndieWeb in this thread: https://fosstodon.org/@kev/105203705426227066
# Loqi [Kev Quirk] I've decided to remove #IndieWeb support from my website. 😞 https://kevq.uk/removing-support-for-the-indieweb/
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# reed this is the endpoint failing (wordpress access log) `- - [13/Nov/2020:08:36:06 -0800] "POST /wp-json/micropub/1.0/endpoint HTTP/1.1" 403 593 "-" "Dalvik/2.1.0 (Linux; U; Android 9; 5024F_EEA Build/PPR1.180610.011)"
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# reed [Jan_Lukas_Else]: I am sympathetic with Kev's arguments... it's hard to setup wordpress and it's hard to use the mobile tools... I'm just facing a crisis myself :)
# [Jan_Lukas_Else] Seems like there's a need for a simple IndieWeb CMS. There's Known, but maybe I should try to make my own CMS more suitable for others 🤔
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KartikPrabhu [Jan_Lukas_Else]: yes! do it!
# reed it's true, WordPress is in the way
# [Jan_Lukas_Else] It should already be usable for others, but I need to add documentation etc.: https://jlel.se/goblog
# reed Known would be better, indeed... maybe I just have to suck it up and migrate
# KartikPrabhu I think the complaint wasn't about troubleshooting, but that it is complicated
# reed GWG: how do I debug this 403 error I get when using Indiegenous on mobile?
# reed I do, the system looks healthy, I have authenticated with Indiegenous correctly, gave the app all the auths for all the scopes
# reed indieauth works on https://indieauth.com/
# reed what else should I check?
# reed ah! at least I get the full error message from Quill, thanks for the tip
# reed it's still obscure to me though ...
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GWG https://wpdev.gwg.us/2020/11/13/21747/ - I just posted using indigenous to my test site
# reed the error pops up after hitting "post" so there must be something blocking the "write"
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{"code":"forbidden","message":"Unauthorized","data":{"status":403}}`# reed funny thing is that it used to work but something happened, maybe it was the recent version upgrade of the micropub server plugin?
# reed http://paste.openstack.org/show/800009/ this is the full error log
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# reed :) it is dreamhost
# reed I have this in .htaccess ```# for Indie Auth
# reed Header set Access-Control-Allow-Origin "*"
# reed SetEnvIf Authorization "(.*)" HTTP_AUTHORIZATION=$1
# reed ```
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jamietanna sounds like this stuff should go to #dev, right? seems a bit more technical than usual :)
# reed happy to switch though jamietanna ... is it #indieweb-dev ?
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# jamietanna I know, sorry! I think the idea behind it is that we try to keep this channel a bit clearer for folks who may not be as technical / passing IndieWeb conversations, so they don't get "scared off" for want of a better term. It's not super well documented
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# reed I'm afraid that the sort of users that will hang out here are not going to be afraid of the sort of conversation I'm having: reporting issues, looking at logs... anyway, this is more of a wordpress issue than an indieweb issue so the the other channel is definitely better
# reed i'll have to look into known... for some reasons, I though it was written in NodeJS but it's a LAMP application, right?
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[CrowderSoup] ↩️ I've looked at your `hugo-micropub` project and have been taking inspiration from it for my own serverless functions to do the same in my spare time. I haven't gotten very far, but I'd love to help you out with this project if you're open to contributions?
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# [Jan_Lukas_Else] ↩️ [CrowderSoup] That's cool to hear! After I added a license, I'll create mirrors on GitHub and Codeberg.org and then I'm open for PRs 😄 that's probably my project for this weekend
# [Jan_Lukas_Else] ↩️ I tried to keep things as configurable as possible, it's quite opiniated, but should work for other too
# [CrowderSoup] ↩️ Sounds good! I look forward to it 🙂
# [CrowderSoup] ↩️ I think opinionated is probably good, since the key complaint I hear is that IndieWeb is to convoluted and confusing. A clear opinion is probably what some people need 😅
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[chrisaldrich] Exciting potential tidbit on the horizon! There's a reference in the /Calibre documentation for an experimental feature called "Fetch Annotations" which I suspect will make it easier to pull data out of one's e-book reader for pulling into a website: https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/gui.html
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# oenone what do people use for webmentions in combination with hugo?
# [CrowderSoup] You could use https://webmention.io/ I think?
# [CrowderSoup] @oenone ^
# oenone thanks, I'll have a look at it. although, I'd prefer something that I can host myself
# [CrowderSoup] I am (slowly) working on some serverless functions for micropub / webmentions for my hugo site, but I'm not sure what else is out there at the moment
# [Raphael_Luckom] I'm doing some similar stuff, though my site is so simple that I'm moving in the direction of dropping hugo and using a JS markdown renderer in a function
# [Raphael_Luckom] I like using hugo but I'm not sure my use case makes good use of its capabilities
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# [Jan_Lukas_Else] You could use Webmentiond, it's selfhostable
# [Jan_Lukas_Else] webmentiond.org
# [Jan_Lukas_Else] I used it with Hugo and still integrate it as a library into my CMS
# [Raphael_Luckom] my plan is to create a webmention endpoint that re-renders static files when webmentions come in (or on some other schedule)--I notice that you said "I'd prefer something that I can host myself" which is something I'm trying to do as well. But I think it can mean different things: either that could mean "my pages include JS that calls a service that I host, which tells them which webmentions to display" or "my pages are static, but the
# [Raphael_Luckom] webmention-receiver updates them whenever a new mention comes in"
# oenone I'd prefer the latter - static pages that are re-rendered when mentions come in
# [Raphael_Luckom] I'm also curious about common practice for restricting / securing a webmention-notification endpoint. It seems like if it's secured, you need to maintain a list of people who are allowed to talk to you, and if it's unsecured it's unsecured. I've been thinking about trying to do it unsecured but having mentions just sit in an approval queue until I have a chance to look at them rather than getting published automatically.
# Loqi Moderation is the process of holding comments for review by a human, and sometimes a source of frustration when a comment is written on another site that the commenter has no control over https://indieweb.org/moderation
# [CrowderSoup] what is vouch?
# Loqi The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention. Webmention with Vouch depends on understanding Webmention https://indieweb.org/Vouch
# [Raphael_Luckom] Are there serious known bad consequences of just doing it unsecured? Like is that considered dumb on its face?
# [CrowderSoup] It's totally up to you. If you don't secure it you could have some negative side effects of spam ending up on your site and indexed by search engines
# [Raphael_Luckom] I think this is the part where I need to go back and read up on what kinds of markup an external person's comment can add to a page
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# [Raphael_Luckom] cool, I was hoping there would be a practice of something like that.
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