#indieweb 2020-11-15

2020-11-15 UTC
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[chrisaldrich]
Thanks Stevewil[m]! Good to have you join us today. Hope to see you again tomorrow to see what we can hack together.
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sl007
[schmarty] About "ActivityPub" definition : It would help if not only mastodon is always mentioned, there are about 30 aeseome softwares for the 5 million users (e.g. peertube, funkwhale, writeFreely) , some in the official forum https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/software/14
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[chrisaldrich]
sl007, was there some sort of slight you felt that ActivityPub got today? It's definitely not forbidden here and the wiki will attest to many here who have implemented it, support it, and attempt to interoperate with it.
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[chrisaldrich]
There are also wiki pages for things like write freely and I know we frequently see developers from projects like peertube relatively frequently.
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[chrisaldrich]
I think Marty mentioned Mastodon simply as a shorthand since it is one of the more popularly known versions which implements AP which people are more likely to know. You're welcome to add to the wiki page, particularly if you're aware of people using some of those projects as all or portions of their personal website presences.
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[chrisaldrich]
ActivityPub << WriteFreely
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[chrisaldrich]
ActivityPub << PixelFed
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[chrisaldrich]
correction, it's the PixelFed developer I see in #indieweb-dev frequently...
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petermolnar
re discovery session from yesterday about sharing following/subscriptions/etc: I have an archiver, names silo.pasta; in it's previous iteration it had a feature that when it imported data from a few silos - tumblr, deviantart, etc - it also added their RSS feeds to my miniflux instance: https://github.com/petermolnar/silo.pasta/blob/master/common.py#L69
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petermolnar
there was an iteration when I was doing this using Aperture, but I can't seem to find it right now.
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petermolnar
I don't know how this could be made into something bigger, than a personal use
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[jgmac1106]
I might make more collections out of this template today....or just see if I can automate just one thing on my website
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[Sue_Hanen]
I could use help with web mentions and indieauth.
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Zegnat
Any specific questions on either. [Sue_Hanen]? :)
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[Sue_Hanen]
Thank you [Zegnat] I should have posted that on the indiecamp area.
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Zegnat
Really, anywhere is fine! There is often someone around in any of our chat channels able to help out. Whether camp is going on or not
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carolline
Hello! Just passing by to say I am not taking part today, got to prepare teaching stuff for this week. I will create my H-card and then findout how to publish it and link it to the indieweb site. I had a wonderful day yesterday, I have learned lots and enjoyed the company of you all. Hope you have a fab day :-)
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[jgmac1106]
good luck getting ready for the week, it looks like you use SemPress, I have a bunch of tutorials on https://tech-4-teens.club/sempress-tutorial/
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[chrisaldrich]
For those who are interested in WordPress or have related questions: Here's the WordPress Zoom Room for create day: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/6312221690?pwd=UlNkck1FdGIzSEJGZ2h4dGFnUFhLZz09
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carolline
Thanks Greg! I might use it, it is just that I am not familiar with the name Sempress, but I will look into it. There is so much to learn!!!
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carolline
I can see a tutorial how to activate indieweb pluggins. This is I will look into :-)
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[dmitshur]
I’m finishing breakfast and starting the create day soon. So exciting. 😁
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[hibs]
FYI I'm aiming to start the variable fonts session session in 1 hour (8:30 am pst / 11:30 am est)
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[jgmac1106]
Swwet hibs!!!
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[jgmac1106]
made this: https://codepen.io/jgmac1106/pen/XWKOwbQ can't really tell you how it works
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[jgmac1106]
carolline SemPress is the one compatible theme in the wordpress.org theme repository so if you are thinking of an IndieWeb learning space and doing it with students I recommend that one so they can autoupdate
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carolline
it does work Greg! I you scroll on the fonts they move, they are trully variable fonts :-))
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[hibs]
Nice [jgmac1106]!
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[jgmac1106]
thx for clmooc we are putting together a 2021 calendar around theme of hope. this was my submission for December trying to think Crepuscular Rays
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carla-paloma
cool
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carla-paloma
cool
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[jgmac1106]
carolline I keep a bunch of fun HTML/CSS poetry stuff here your students might enjoy playing with: https://glitch.com/@jgmac1106/poetry-stuff
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[Ian_Forrester]
↩️ I might join in a bit
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GWG
Darn. I was inconsistent on my wind speed measurements
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GWG
It should be meters per second, which is SI, not meters per hour
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[chrisaldrich]
We're also discussing using the IndieWeb wiki and adding yourself to it in the WordPress room if anyone wants to join: WordPress Zoom
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[Raphael_Luckom]
who else is actually in the us east timezone with me? 😄
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carolline
Chris a what time are you starting?
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carolline
Thanks Greg, will take a look at that :-)
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[Ian_Forrester]
Last night I moved my gratitude diary from wordpress.com and moved it to my Raspberry PI with Yunohost. - https://gratitude.cubicgarden.info/blog/
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[Ian_Forrester]
Like to have a play with kinds to make each diary entry a little different depending on my gratitude. Also like this to transfer into the RSS feed, so I can do something different here - https://cubicgarden.com/gratitude-diary/ (pulls from the RSS feed)
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[Raphael_Luckom]
cool!
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Loqi
Ianforrester
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[Ian_Forrester]
Also tried to install WriteFreely instead of WP but didn't seem to install. Like to make writing the gratitude s a bit quicker, so looking at the email to WP thing
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[Raphael_Luckom]
I spent a few days thinking about how to get that kind of quick-post functionality in the most lazy way possible. What I landed on for myself was a personal-ish slack workspace where I have a bot that can post things for me.
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[Ian_Forrester]
Yeah been thinking similar, originally I was thinking of a matrix/mastodon bot so I can post quick and easy from any device anywhere
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[Raphael_Luckom]
right, exactly. For me the requirement was basically that there had to be an existing ios client that I could use without writing myself. I'm honestly not that happy with slack for my use case, but it's better than anything else I've tried
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[Ian_Forrester]
I always write my gratitude diary late at night and when I was around my partners flat, didn't want to get the chromebook out to post for a short while. WP is quicker but feels heavy for something so small and quick
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[Raphael_Luckom]
The important things that I identified were: 1) reasonably secure--only I can post 2) can post from any device 3) I don't need an always-on server
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[Raphael_Luckom]
The reason that slack meets all three is that it has an events API where it will _send_ a notification anywhere you tell it for certain types of events. Discord has nicer UX for my money, but there's no way to get them to send events to you.
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[KevinMarks]
If you have micropub you could use a small Web client to post
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Zegnat
Surely Slack still needs an always-on server to send their events to? Or do you mean 3 just for the writing interface and not for a receiver?
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[Ian_Forrester]
Has someone already written a micropub client for this [KevinMarks]? Its the kind of thing I thought about
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[Ian_Forrester]
Like to modify a micropub client and make it just for gratitutes
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[Ian_Forrester]
Remember not a developer but can hack around
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[Raphael_Luckom]
[Zegnat] I can make an API on AWS that's backed by a web function--AWS provides the endpoint and only wakes up my function to handle events as requests come in. The pricing for the API is based on # of requests (or total GB/month, I forget) and the pricing for the function is based on invocations, memory usage, and the duration it takes. My AWS bill for a typical month is $1.40
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Zegnat
Aah, gotcha. So it is still an always on service, it is just that AWS does not bill for listening for requests when none are received ;)
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Zegnat
I was thinking like "I want it to ping my computer, but it is not always connected to the internet" sort of not always online
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Zegnat
[Ian_Forrester]: bunch of micropub clients linked from https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients ... not sure exactly what requirements you have for your gratitude posting interfacec
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Zegnat
If you want to see what a client looks like, but do not want to setup Micropub yourself first, you can try logging in to most public clients with https://sink.zegnat.net/
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[Ian_Forrester]
Thanks... pretty much a microblogging interface
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[Raphael_Luckom]
yeah, exactly. For me, there's a qualitative difference between "there is something whose _steady state_ I'm responsible for," vs "there are these discrete blocks of code that I need to make sure can execute correctly"
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[Ian_Forrester]
I enabled micropub on wp already 🙂
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Zegnat
(If you do have an indieauth endpoint, that is, else Sink is not really going to help.)
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Zegnat
Ah, cool!
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Zegnat
I like https://micropublish.net/ for its minimal design (works well on mobile too)
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[Ian_Forrester]
i enabled indieauth but not set it up yet
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[Ian_Forrester]
thx!
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[KevinMarks]
If you want a web based one that's configurable https://inklings.io/inkstone/ is
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[Raphael_Luckom]
One thing that's interesting about the "beginner indieweb" journey is that I've seen a few people come through asking "how do I set up <indieweb block x>" or "Can someone help with <y issue>" but by the time they have those questions, they have already decided to use block x or the thing that precipitates y issue. I'd be really interested in knowing more about the use case that brought them there whenever that happens.
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[Ian_Forrester]
So for my understanding, Micropub is like a modern replacement for the old XML-RPC thing?
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Zegnat
[Ian_Forrester]: that sounds about right. I would say MetaWeblog API, as that was sort of the blogging standard on top of XML-RPC (which was more of a generic protocol)
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[hibs]
I'm in a breakout room in the Red Room for anyone interested in talking variable fonts this morning
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[Ian_Forrester]
Thats what I was after sorry yes MetaweblogAPI
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[Ian_Forrester]
Ah good stuff still confused about MicroSub, although I think of ActivityPub as RSS but in Json form
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[tonz]
[chrisaldrich] dropping out, starting to cook dinner for the family. Have a good day building and explaining things!
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[chrisaldrich]
Good to see you [tonz]
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Zegnat
[Ian_Forrester]: In my view: like how MicroPub tries to standardise the way a writing client talks to a server, MicroSub tries to standardise the way a reading client talks to a server. E.g. trying to standardise the API that a reader client like Reeder would use to synchronise with a server like Feedbin.
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Zegnat
So both the servers and clients become interchangable.
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[Ian_Forrester]
Hence Ingeious
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[Ian_Forrester]
*Ingenious*
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[Ian_Forrester]
Damm it...
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Zegnat
Hence that-native-app-with-Android-and-iOS-versions ;)
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[Ian_Forrester]
ingenious
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[Ian_Forrester]
yep
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Zegnat
As a non-native English speaker, I do not think I have ever been able to spell it correctly at first try
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[Ian_Forrester]
As I can only just speak english ... 🙂
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[Raphael_Luckom]
Yeah, if these standards mean that I'll be able to get a generic client for my phone that I can point at my site, that would be awesome. I would absolutely use that
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Zegnat
Native applications are still pretty rare, because of so many developers being web-developers around here. But there are some.
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Zegnat
What is Indigenous?
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Loqi
Indigenous is a set of native apps for iOS, Android currently in beta that supports posting your website using Micropub and a built-in reader that supports Microsub https://indieweb.org/Indigenous
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[Raphael_Luckom]
cool!
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[Ian_Forrester]
Thats what we were after 🙂
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Zegnat
Turns out I am doing mostly CSS today. The button red vs green really needs some more work. Anyone know some cool examples? https://i.imgur.com/OmAdhzD.png
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Zegnat
(Also: teasing my new indieauth implementation)
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[dmitshur]
[hibs] I'm a bit late but what is there a zoom link for the variable fonts room?
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[hibs]
[dmitshur] yep we're in a breakout room in the red room, I think this is the right link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/82666145313?pwd=ZG1yYTJsRHVzMkNWNDFHV0JNUXcxZz09
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GWG
See, someone broke out.
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: We are testing the breakout room feature in Red Room
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GWG
We probably could try that in the Red room so people could more seamlessly switch
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[Raphael_Luckom]
[Zegnat] that looks really cool! are you just looking for improvements for the look of the buttons? I'd probably just darken the colors a little, add left/right margins between them and the center input, and round the other corners.
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[Raphael_Luckom]
The "nice buttons" I've found are all in various bootstrap-y packages, but I'm allergic to those
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[Ian_Forrester]
https://gratitude.cubicgarden.info/blog/2020/11/15/307/ - via webauth & micropub
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[Ian_Forrester]
Loqi is so strange 🙂
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Zegnat
Loqi tries to expand links. In this case the post author is "gratitude", else it would have said Ian Forrester (or somesuch) there
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Loqi
I'm pretty sure somesuch) there
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Zegnat
Hahaha, thanks Loqi
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Zegnat
gives Loqi a cookie
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Loqi
nice
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Loqi
eats the cookie
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[Ian_Forrester]
Yep messing with the author now
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Zegnat
[Raphael_Luckom]: yeah, I was trying to kinda make the whole bottom a single element, but that looks is not communicated very well...
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[Raphael_Luckom]
tbh it looks fine as-is. I think that making the outer perimeter lines of the buttons function as both the group-boundary and button outline is maybe what's giving you trouble. But usability-wise it's great.
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Zegnat
It might just be that the button colours are too harsh. Going to continue experimenting.
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maxwelljoslyn
Good morning indieweb :)
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[KevinMarks]
shoelace 1.0 had some nice button cluster looks https://v1.shoelace.style/docs/forms.html#input-groups
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Zegnat
I think the real design struggle is with putting an input form in the middle, [KevinMarks]
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Zegnat
That looks almost exactly like mine, haha
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[chrisaldrich]
carolline We're here all day if you want to join us. I'm taking a short break, but the wordpress room is at https://us02web.zoom.us/j/6312221690?pwd=UlNkck1FdGIzSEJGZ2h4dGFnUFhLZz09
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oenone
Do I understand correctly that "syndication" can for example be simply posting the summary of a blog posting with a link on other platforms?
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GWG
oenone: Syndication is appropriate to the platform
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[chrisaldrich]
For example syndicating a 1,500 word article to twitter usually comes down to cross-posting the title of the article and a link to it.
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GWG
Whereas it it was medium...full article
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oenone
So, generally speaking, as much of the content as possible
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GWG
As appropriate. But yes
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[chrisaldrich]
[jeremyfelt]++ for https://jeremyfelt.com/2020/11/15/notes-on-indie-web-camp-east-online-2020-day-1/ (I can't believe we actually did half of what he writes about here, much less that he's managed to write this much about it all so quickly...)
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Loqi
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[jeremyfelt]
It was a lot!
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[Raphael_Luckom]
I'm sure people have differing opinions on this, but where does everyone land on the balance between "wanting to get work seen by people who are within silos" and "not wanting to help silos hold people's attention"?
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Zegnat
I think "differing opinions" sums it up pretty nicely, haha
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[Raphael_Luckom]
Yeah, I asked because I feel differently depending on the day and the platform and how grumpy I am
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KartikPrabhu
yo! sorry I didn't join in yesterday. But I am working on moving my site to a new hosting today
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: Big job
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GWG
My home server had a drive failure the day before I was going to replace and start rebuilding it, and during yestedays's event
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GWG
So I sympathize
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KartikPrabhu
I'm hoping to get at least a "clone" of my site up and running
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KartikPrabhu
oenone: the things that GWG and [chrisaldrich] suggested regarding syndication are more like "common practices", not "strict rules". you should feel free to syndicate in any manner you wish
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[snarfed]
[Simon_Willison] datasette and dogsheep look awesome! they seem similar to https://granary.io/ , the indieweb project for reading and converting from any data source and format to any other
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[snarfed]
(granary is both a python library and a REST API)
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[snarfed]
granray’s definitely smaller though, eg it doesn’t have the datastore or end user UI for data browsing, querying, etc
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[KevinMarks]
what is flash?
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Loqi
Flash is in the context of the web a reference to Adobe Flash, typically Adobe Flash Player, which is a waning proprietary platform and browser plug-in for content and application distribution, ages ago on independent sites, more recently on embedded systems like gas station kiosks like https://twitter.com/moenig/status/1030490221392142338 (see screenshots therein) https://indieweb.org/Flash
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oenone
Correct answer would've been "dead"
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Zegnat
Flash << [https://ruffle.rs/ Ruffle] an open source Flash Player emulator in [[Rust]]
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Loqi
ok, I added "[https://ruffle.rs/ Ruffle] an open source Flash Player emulator in [[Rust]]" to the "See Also" section of /Flash https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73373&oldid=73372
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Zegnat
In case anyone feels like looking at Flash sites after 2020 :D
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[KevinMarks]
I used flash for graph plotting before we had SVG
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oenone
There's also "flash messages" in context of UI design
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alex11
is there *any* way to syndicate with facebook? checked the indieweb wiki and there's really not many options other than some very long 'developer' page
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[Simon_Willison]
So I have a naming challenge I’d like to bounce off people. I’ve been getting increasingly excited about a design pattern that’s somewhere between static side frameworks and dynamic rendered pages from a database
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[Simon_Willison]
The key idea is that you “bake” your infrequently-changing data into a SQLite database file, then publish that along with your code. Then you have dynamic pages and templates which query that database.
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[Simon_Willison]
What makes this interesting is that it’s trivial to scale (just run more copies of the app, each with a copy of the database) and you don’t have to build 1000s of static pages. It can be REALLY cheap to host, thanks to serverless hosting providers like Vercel and Google Cloud Run. And just like static sites, it’s hard to break - the database file is treated as read-only, so you don’t need to worry about many of the complexities that
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[Simon_Willison]
with running a dynamic site
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[Simon_Willison]
I want to come up with a name for this pattern, because if you name things it’s much easier to talk about them (see JAMstack, static site generators, etc)
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[Simon_Willison]
↩️ Starting a thread here to avoid flooding the channel
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[Simon_Willison]
↩️ My top candidate for a name right now is the “cast iron” pattern - based on the old-school comparison between “baking” your pages (today called static site generation) and “frying” your pages (where you construct every page dynamically from a database using something like PHP or Django)
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[Simon_Willison]
↩️ Cast iron pans can be used to both bake and fry!
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Zegnat
There is no threading on IRC, the canonical source for chat, [Simon_Willison]. So no such thing as "avoid flooding" I am afraid ;)
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Zegnat
In fact, I would recommend against threading. As people replying to threads a day late have there messages show completely out of context on all chat platforms except Slack
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[Simon_Willison]
erk, that’s no good! OK, I’ll abandon the thread then
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[Simon_Willison]
↩️ <thread abandoned, see https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/archives/C03QR2B4R/p1605471209439300 >
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[Simon_Willison]
> My top candidate for a name right now is the “cast iron” pattern - based on the old-school comparison between “baking” your pages (today called static site generation) and “frying” your pages (where you construct every page dynamically from a database using something like PHP or Django)
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Zegnat
Much appreciated! See also https://chat.indieweb.org/2020-11-15#bottom for how the rest of the world sees chat
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[Simon_Willison]
So question: would “cast iron” work for people for this? Does anyone have a better idea for what I can call it?
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[Simon_Willison]
The largest scale example of this pattern I’m aware of is Mozila.org, which has been doing this (without using a fancy name for it) for a couple of years now: https://mozilla.github.io/meao/2018/03/28/bedrock-the-sqlitening/
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[Simon_Willison]
Every time I see someone complain that their static site framework is taking too long to generate thousands of pages I want to ask them “have you considered the cast iron pattern instead?”
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[Simon_Willison]
I’m using it for https://www.niche-museums.com/ and https://til.simonwillison.net/ and Natalie’s https://www.rockybeaches.com/ sites
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[jgmac1106]
Flood away but maybe in the dev channel to leave the main room I inviting with those with less technical background
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[jgmac1106]
I really am intrigued though by your ideas and small saved datas.
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[Simon_Willison]
OK, moving this to the dev channel…
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[jgmac1106]
That is kinds where I am... Choose a CMS.... Learn a bit of storage... So will follow
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[snarfed]
alex11: re POSSEing to facebook, manual! totally still valid. manual until it hurts.
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[snarfed]
and their API still works for POSSEing to pages. but to normal accounts, no, mostly impossible now
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alex11
"API Access - New posts can be created through the API using the Publishing API"
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[snarfed]
for pages? or profiles?
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alex11
it says "your app" apparently
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alex11
soooooooooooooooooooooo
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petermolnar
eons ago there was a mouse movement and clicks "recorder" thing to automate tasks that were basically impossible - no api, no SOAP, no nothing. I keep wondering if there's a new usecase for those in lights of the no-api silos.
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[snarfed]
for profiles, it’s very difficult now to get approved for the permission you need to use that FB publishing API. so in practice, we’ve concluded that automated POSSE isn’t really possible, at least for small non-commercial uses like ours
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[snarfed]
(if we dig deeper, we’ll probably want to mvoe to #indieweb-dev)
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alex11
they're such a scumbag company
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alex11
don't forget about making the world more connected
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petermolnar
demos in 50 minutes?
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[dmitshur]
That's my understanding too, @petermolnar.
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[Simon_Willison]
How do we sign up to give demos?
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[Emma_Humphries]
FB is allowing "instant articles," but only for vetted (and I presume paying) publishers: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instant-articles/publishing/setup-rss-feed/
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[Emma_Humphries]
[Simon_Willison] maybe "air frying"?
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alex11
i hate cambridge analytica because now they can perennially claim "well we won't allow data export/transfer because something something security hole"
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alex11
and the general public won't be able to separate the truth from the lies and determine the granularity of things and certain claims
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alex11
i would believe fb if it wasn't for all the other crap they pull
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[Emma_Humphries]
I'm wondering how to do that in a way that discourages people from using heavy frameworks, and would run on crappy smartphones
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[chrisaldrich]
We can use the etherpad for Projects to order ourselves into a list for demos if people like: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2020-East-Projects
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[Emma_Humphries]
@alex11 I'm sure this is "reaching our audience is a privilege you gotta pay for"
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alex11
yeah emma i just meant in general
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alex11
not that they're claiming that for this specific thing
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KartikPrabhu
<phew> just finished re-setting my site locally, now on to the Cloud™
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GWG
10 Minute warning for Demos!!
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KartikPrabhu
aah I might not make it, but might write a follow up post or something
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[chrisaldrich]
KartikPrabhu++ for encouraging writing up demo posts on our personal websites 🙂
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (9 in all channels)
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: That's fine.
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GWG
I will have a demo post when release the code.
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[KevinMarks]
could you use selenium to do it?
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[KevinMarks]
[jackjamieson] what was the URL?
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Loqi
[Jack Jamieson] Independent Together: Building and Maintaining Values in a Distributed Web Infrastructure
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petermolnar
(no, I haven't read it that far yet)
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[KevinMarks]
a layout that might be worth a look for that is the Tufte one https://edwardtufte.github.io/tufte-css/
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[timothy_chambe]
FYI, our instance on the Mastodon platform dedicated to Indieweb, and related tech is up to 364 users with accounts on that instnace, and many more follwoing and engaging with content from it... anyone wanting to be on the #Fediverse or interested in how Indieweb and Fedi realted technology mesh are welcome to join: https://indieweb.social/about/more
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[jgmac1106]
[timothy_chambe] ahh wish you were around this weekend. Sebastian wanted to do an Activity Pub session. The crowd had more general interests in getting their passions online and don't get into the plumbing.
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KartikPrabhu
now to domain mapping and security cert stuff
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[jgmac1106]
Pretty sure 80%-90% didn't understand the difference or no what ActivityPub and FediVerse meant....maybe you two organize a pop up session
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[jgmac1106]
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (10 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106]
And Hibs don't let him hide deep in some gravity well. Kartik a CSS genius
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[KevinMarks]
want to demo Karthik?
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KartikPrabhu
my demo would just be a dummy site!
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[jgmac1106]
And Kartik if you celebrate Diwali Happy festival of lights
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KartikPrabhu
oh no! I'm too late
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[chrisaldrich]
Thanks again everyone!
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KartikPrabhu
a follow-up post it is
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[chrisaldrich]
(Sorry Kartik, I think I saw you pop up as we were closing the room...)
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KartikPrabhu
no worries, I shouldn't have slept in! :P
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[schmarty]
chrisaldrich++ gwg++ !!!
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Loqi
chrisaldrich has 27 karma in this channel over the last year (74 in all channels)
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KartikPrabhu
[jgmac1106]: thanks!
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GWG
I think you can't combine those
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[schmarty]
oops i forgot that punctuation stops karma gwg++
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Loqi
gwg has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (140 in all channels)
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[dmitshur]
Thank you everyone for a great IndieWebCamp East 2020!
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[hibs]
chrisaldrich++
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Loqi
chrisaldrich has 28 karma in this channel over the last year (75 in all channels)
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[hibs]
gwg++
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Loqi
gwg has 30 karma in this channel over the last year (141 in all channels)
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sebbu
petermolnar, ok
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petermolnar
no, not here
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petermolnar
#indieweb-chat
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[hibs]
Thanks to both Chris & David for a wonderful conference!
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[tantek]
I'm signed into the Zoom listed on https://indieweb.org/2020/East/Schedule#Sunday and it says "Waiting for the host to start this meeting"
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KartikPrabhu
I think the meeting is closed
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petermolnar
it's all gone [tantek]
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[tantek]
hoping to catch the last of demos, and 17:45 closing comments etc.
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petermolnar
!meme timezones
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[tantek]
aww just missed it
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KartikPrabhu
at least I was earlier than [tantek] ;)
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[tantek]
no petermolnar, I got the time difference right
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[dmitshur]
It wrapped up a early. :(
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[tantek]
according to the schedule, closing comments etc. were going to be in about 18 min
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petermolnar
there weren't enough demos
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[tantek]
so no afterparty in the zoom room then?
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KartikPrabhu
[tantek]: do you have a demo?
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[tantek]
tries to think of what he's built recently
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[tantek]
KartikPrabhu unfortunately I didn't get anything new built this weekend
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KartikPrabhu
me neither, but made progress towards moving my hosting
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[tantek]
[Ian_Forrester] and I did have some good conversations in the hallway track yesterday though, where we came up with some IndieWeb insights both in general and with respect to questioning the existing framings of "dating sites"
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[tantek]
let me see if I can summarize
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[tantek]
IndieWeb thinking (in contrast to default silo/product design thinking) :
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[KevinMarks]
I have a friend with a PhD in why dating is bad
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[tantek]
Assume everything is already connected, and the goal is to empower the individual user with their own stuff within the context of those connections.
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[tantek]
And interoperate with those existing connections
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[tantek]
Contrast that with: first we build something to get everyone to use, and then we worry about connecting it with other things later
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[tantek]
That was the first insight in contrasting IndieWeb vs other approaches I came up with that [Ian_Forrester] said really resonated for him, especially with his perspective both in IndieWeb and working at BBC
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[tantek]
The second insight was that rather than trying to critique, fix, improve, or write a new dating site, accept that people will use *any and all forms of online social interaction* as a form of dating, and consider building tools to manage their existing online interactions instead of trying to create yet another silo with a weird artificial context that encourages people to put on yet another inauthentic profile.
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[KevinMarks]
this is the weirdest variable font yet: https://v-fonts.com/fonts/coronafaceimpact
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alex11
ugh this whole POSSE to facebook article is just making me more and more angry
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alex11
they're never, ever on the consumer's side
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alex11
ever
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alex11
break them up, regulate the hell out of them
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alex11
i'm just going to stop going on it for a while, they don't deserve my traffic
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[KevinMarks]
[tantek] that dating idea reminds me of this https://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html
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[tantek]
[KevinMarks] indeed
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[tantek]
alex11++ for "just going to stop going on it for a while, they don't deserve my traffic"
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Loqi
alex11 has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek]
allow me to introduce you to /silo-quits for inspiration 🙂
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[tantek]
IWC East afterparty! ^^^ (joined)
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GWG
There's a Zoom room for after event chatting if anyone wants to come
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alex11
which event?
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[tantek]
IWC East of course
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KartikPrabhu
hey! If any one has done migrations of their sites add to https://indieweb.org/migration
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alex11
i see the event is over now; did you guys get a lot of participants?
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[tantek]
we did! about 50+ at one point IIRC
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[tantek]
what is Nitter?
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Loqi
Nitter is a free and open source alternative Twitter front-end focused on privacy https://indieweb.org/Nitter