#indieweb 2020-11-16
2020-11-16 UTC
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alex11 (zoom call stuff, sry for out of context links)
# alex11 i'd post it in zoom but idk if it has a chat
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@annehelen sweet lord, Substack is piloting its own form of Google Reader: https://reader.substack.com/inbox (twitter.com/_/status/1328025030035263489)
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KartikPrabhu that sounds like a good thing
# KartikPrabhu [KevinMarks]: we are in the after party zoom
# KartikPrabhu if you'd like to join
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[KevinMarks] It's a bit late for me now, and might wake up the house if I join in
# KartikPrabhu ha! no worries!
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "unroll" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "unroll is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi tweetstorm is a series of tweets, each replying to the previous, often each numbered so the sequence is clear, as a method of expressing a longer series of related thoughts as a single thread on Twitter https://indieweb.org/ThreadReader
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[tantek] every social network-like site used to ask you for your email password and username: http://microformats.org/wiki/social-network-anti-patterns#Spam_your_contacts
# [KevinMarks] That was the use case for OAuth originally
# [tantek] and adactio's post at the time: https://adactio.com/journal/1357
# alex11 btw can we pls do calls on jitsi in future
# alex11 nobody trusts zoom
# [tantek] re: FB blocking ad transparency researchers: https://twitter.com/AlexanderAbdo/status/1319761452832534531
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@AlexanderAbdo This is a disturbing development. Last Friday, Facebook sent a cease-and-desist letter to two NYU researchers (@LauraEdelson2 and Damon McCoy), demanding that they shut down their research into political ads and disinformation on FB’s platform. https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-seeks-shutdown-of-nyu-research-project-into-political-ad-targeting-11603488533 (twitter.com/_/status/1319761452832534531)
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@firefox 2020 has seen enough. The last thing we need is to watch FB repeat some of its same mistakes from 2016 leading up to this election. The third-party tools they’re trying to shut down are the best option to get data people need to hold them accountable. https://mzl.la/3kpWSvu https://twitter.com/firefox/status/1320034670684192768/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1320034670684192768)
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# KartikPrabhu yo! anyone know where indieweb uses of adding indiweb sites to home screen are documented?
# Loqi home screen is the top level UI of a smart mobile device that displays default applications and is usually customized by users to show a preferred arrangement of their favorite apps and bookmarks, with lower priority items being placed on additional "screens", that are accessed by swiping to the left https://indieweb.org/home_screen
# KartikPrabhu nope here it is
# KartikPrabhu yes, we were talking about adding people's homepage to home screen
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[cleverdevil] Sounds like I missed a great time! Hope it was fun :)
# KartikPrabhu [cleverdevil]: still on the after party chat
# [cleverdevil] (I continue to be absolutely busy beyond belief and have little energy on the weekends to spare above and beyond spending time with the kids)
# [cleverdevil] In the throes of bedtime at the moment :)
# KartikPrabhu have fun! see you around
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# [tantek] earlier in the afterparty we discussed various razors, Occam and Hanlon in particular. there are a few more listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor#See_also
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# alex11 aaron o7
# alex11 (swartz, not pk :P)
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# [tw2113_Slack_] i dunno, both kind of deserve a o7 in their own ways 🙂
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# KartikPrabhu after parteh is officially closed!
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# alex11 thanks for making me open like 20 tabs researching stuff
# KartikPrabhu you're welcome ;)
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# [Ian_Forrester] Morning Indiewebcampers, thanks to everyone and here's a little blog I wrote - https://cubicgarden.com/2020/11/16/some-indiewebcamp-influence-on-my-gratitude-habit/
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jeremycherfas Morning all. I was too busy all weekend to do much more than joyscroll Slack and listen to the first keynote, but it seems like IWC East 2020 was a huge success. Looking forward to catching up with the videos. Kudos in absentia to all.
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# jeremycherfas That wasn't intended as a poke gwg++
# [Ian_Forrester] Oh btw GWG, is there any chance we can remove a part of the yellow track when it was just me and [tantek] talking
# [Ian_Forrester] ? please
# [Ian_Forrester] Perfect, think I sounded a little negative about Solid. Great discussion about dating data however
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[jgmac1106] markdown and poetry are not friendfs
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# [jgmac1106] it depends and I shouldn't throw shade on markdown it is more how a variety of cms handle html sanitization and then how poorly rss readers may display the results
# [jgmac1106] and blank space not every CMS respects blank space the same
# [jgmac1106] sebbu this is what I mean: this was not typed as a paragraph: https://stream.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/11/16/a-hungarian-friend.html
# [jgmac1106] weird unfurls correctly...so ,maybe it is how the CMS is rendering the plain text....
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petermolnar I appreciate the effort and the strict approach :) - classical views are not always to be tossed aside though :P
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# [jgmac1106] use <pre> for poetry a lot. The reason I write poems as notes is mainly because Known uses TinyMCE and it has a serious addiction to the p tag
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# jeremycherfas !tell [jgmac1106] The solution is to roll your own pandoc processor to take your markdown and output exactly what you want.
# jeremycherfas Heh
# jeremycherfas Not fork, but figure out the specific processing you want.
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# [snarfed] this got lost in all the excitement in #indieweb-dev yesterday, but https://dissertation.jackjamieson.net/ is a staggeringly deep academic analysis of the IndieWeb in a bunch of ways. 415 pages! really impressive work.
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# [Ana_Rodrigues] I just found this: https://zonelets.net/index.html and giggled quite a bit at “_you can create an UNPROFESSIONAL-looking website_” 😂
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# jeremycherfas No, but I can read Italian reasonably well.
# jeremycherfas I have had very little traction trying to interest people in Italy in IndieWeb ideas.
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# [Raphael_Luckom] jackjamieson++ ; what a fantastic resource.
# jeremycherfas I think tghat is a really great idea.
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# alex11 that zonelets thing is a very nice looking siste
# alex11 site
# [jgmac1106] nolith ClassicPress and WordPress have very active Italian communities. Translating wiki articles is also a huge service and they do get read a lot/
# jeremycherfas But even the group doing classic WP have shown little to no sustained interest in IndieWeb
# sknebel nolith: see https://indieweb.org/#Translations - not any fancy software support, just pages with a language suffix
# [jgmac1106] yeah jeremycherfas we both tried but just interest in blogging in general is a good place
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# petermolnar just take care to keep translated things in the loop - indieweb.org has Korean translations, and, sadly, we don't seem to be in touch with them in any form
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# [KevinMarks] Updating the Italian homepage to point to more current events would be good too
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Zegnat Homebrew Website Club Meetups https://events.indieweb.org/tag/hwc, Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
# [KevinMarks] Nice work
# Loqi [indienews] New post: http://dissertation.jackjamieson.net (from https://boffosocko.com/2020/11/15/55781037/)
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[chrisaldrich] jackjamieson++
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# KartikPrabhu baah! I have to now use www for my domain because CNAME things
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jamietanna KartikPrabhu do you not like www?
# KartikPrabhu i don't see why one should use it
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# Loqi no-www is a movement to deprecate use of "www." at the start of URLs as being redundant, unnecessary, and a waste of resources https://indieweb.org/no-www
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# [tantek] The maintainer of curl lost their Twitter account: https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/11/16/i-lost-my-twitter-account/
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# alex11 /
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# KartikPrabhu \o/
# alex11 sorry again for being waaaay too chatty yesterday
# KartikPrabhu alex11: not to worry
# KartikPrabhu it was a good discussion