#indieweb 2020-11-17

2020-11-17 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] thinks that pull quote from Jack's thesis would actually make an awesome little microcast. I can see it, but it would help to have the knocking and laughing sound effects to really deliver it. (not to give you any ideas [jacky]) ๐Ÿ™‚
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aaronpk Interesting new thread/reply UI from Discord https://twitter.com/discord/status/1328412825811906560
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@discord When multiple conversations happen over each other, it can get kind of hectic. Replies are here to breakup the noise and will gradually roll out to all devices throughout the week! Hover over a message on desktop or long press on mobile to reply to that specific message. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em94bF6XIAEe-Tl.png (twitter.com/_/status/1328412825811906560)
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vilhalmer that looks promisingly better than slack's ui
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[tantek] ooh I like the little mini /reply-context inline like that with the line connecting the two account icons
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[tantek] worth capturing (image etc.) on /reply-context#Silo_Examples
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gbmor i still grumble when i have to use discord for something but at least that'll reduce some of the noise
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vilhalmer when this year happened I got added to a half dozen discords, I am trapped there forever now
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gbmor lol
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[chrisaldrich] Reminder: Submit your posts about IndieWebCamp East 2020 to https://indieweb.org/2020/East#Posts
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oenone The previous setup on my domain used a very strict robots.txt and other stuff to prevent search engines to index it. With my current one, I want to make it possible again. I noticed that Google does show my website when searching for myself, but DuckDuckGo seems to still see my website as forbidden. Is there a way to trigger it to reevaluate the rules?
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oenone (Trying to fulfill IndieMark level 1)
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petermolnar trigger DDG or Google?
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petermolnar ah, ok, re-read your sentence, trigger DDG
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petermolnar if I recall correctly, DDG doesn't index on it's own, it's using the data from Bing in the background, so I'd try to get Bing to re-index the site
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oenone Okay, didnt check that yet
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petermolnar I would got to https://www.bing.com/webmasters/ , log in, and add a sitemap; but the internet is saying that bing tends to take 1-2months for a full re-index
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petermolnar for example, for me, it's saying the last crawl of my sitemap was at 24/03/2020
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aaronpk Apparently Twitter is launching a stories feature today and it's called Fleets
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Zegnat Way too late to the game, even VSCode beat them to it
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[snarfed] ๐Ÿค”
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[CrowderSoup] I know people who "Tweet and delete" so ephemeral posts make sense. I think it's more of a silo issue. People want their social platform of choice to have all the features, since none of the social platforms talk to each other. Or at least that's my "hot take" haha
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[tantek] Wow, this is an amazing use of Unicode characters to falsify a Twitter warning about misinformation! https://twitter.com/MsSovereignty/status/1328729230188765185
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@MsSovereignty @betswrites @ailworth @WSJ โ“˜ ๐—ข๐—ณ๐—ณ๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ถ๐—ฎ๐—น ๐˜€๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ฐ๐—ฒ๐˜€ ๐˜€๐˜๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐—ณ๐—ฎ๐—น๐˜€๐—ฒ ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—บ๐—ถ๐˜€๐—น๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด (twitter.com/_/status/1328729230188765185)
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sknebel oh great, and they seem to have forgotten some basic checks.... https://twitter.com/makingdemands/status/1328757427043528704
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@makingdemands lol people you have blocked can also see it if someone posts your tweet in their fleet so thatโ€™s cool https://twitter.com/bogboogie/status/1328745327478837250 (twitter.com/_/status/1328757427043528704)
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jacky tbh I don't think it's a concern / priority at this point
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jacky like this happens too often now
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jacky first the a11y issues with voice tweets (that of which has not been addressed _at all_)
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jacky now people being able to see blocked accounts b/c of the caching nature of these SPAs
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[tantek] what is a fleet
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fleet" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "fleet is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] y'all get 8 minutes before the snarkinition ๐Ÿ˜ˆ
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jacky I wouldn't even give it a whole page tbh
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jacky maybe under the /Twitter page or if we have it, some sort of 'ephemeral' posts page?
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jacky even then, <shrugs>
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Zegnat what is stories?
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Loqi A story is a singular (one per profile) time stream collection post, that consists of ephemeral photo and video posts that are shown in sequence one at a time and disappear from the collection 24 hours after being added https://indieweb.org/stories
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Zegnat Fleet is /story
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat There you go? :P
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Zegnat Adding to silo examples now ...
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Zegnat Twitter is now also the only one where the "since" link points to the official announcement.
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Zegnat Should see if TechCrunch has written about it, just so it can match the other links
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[tantek] Zegnat++ nicely done, and yes jacky, definitely preferred to have a silo-specific term defined as a section of a page on the more generic (or first-established) term
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Loqi Zegnat has 16 karma in this channel over the last year (87 in all channels)
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Zegnat Guess the threat of a snarkinition was enough to trigger instant wikification, [tantek] ;)
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Zegnat story << [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/will-now-have-stories $thing will now have stories], a meme that originated on Twitter before Twitter had stories.
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/will-now-have-stories $thing will now have stories], a meme that originated on Twitter before Twitter had stories." to the "See Also" section of /story https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73475&oldid=73474
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Zegnat There is a link, just for the snark of it :D
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[tantek] Zegnat, I'll keep that in mind and try not to abuse it >:)
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[tantek] what is a snap
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Loqi SNAP (Social Network Auto Poster) is a POSSE plugin for WordPress https://indieweb.org/SNAP
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[tantek] what is HedgeClip?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "HedgeClip" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "HedgeClip is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Stories << https://twitter.com/VishalVerma_9/status/1328725968224096256
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/VishalVerma_9/status/1328725968224096256" to the "See Also" section of /story https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73478&oldid=73476
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[tantek] Stories << ^ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnCVObNVkAI3R2g.jpg
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Loqi ok, I added "^ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnCVObNVkAI3R2g.jpg" to the "See Also" section of /story https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73479&oldid=73478
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[tantek] Anyone heard of Unhedged or HedgeClip? Appears to be a bookmarking silo just for tweets?!? https://twitter.com/hedgeclip/status/1288647533896630277
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@hedgeclip @QuisitiveInvest Your tweet has been saved at: https://www.unhedged.com/hedgeclip/1288524075267248129/ (twitter.com/_/status/1288647533896630277)
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[tantek] Lots of silo grist going on here, like too much to wikify, could use some help: https://twitter.com/i/events/1328697937967255553
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[tantek] Has anyone here been experimenting with Coil payments via <link> tags on their websites etc.? Might want to check your inbox: https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/17/coil_email_data_breach/
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[tantek] what is Coil
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Coil" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Coil is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Coil is a web [[payments]] startup that gives their users link tags to put on their website to get paid for people viewing your content, and in late 2020 exposed hundreds of users email addresses to each other. https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/17/coil_email_data_breach/
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk oh no hahaha
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Loqi awesome
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aaronpk classic
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[tantek] This, about a CMS user should not have to be a developer: https://twitter.com/idiot_girl/status/1328823206082469897
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@idiot_girl @nopressure Maybe I should have clarified (although it seems insane to have to) - when discussing a content management system with users youre usually not talking about those users being developers themselves. Git flow would make no sense here (twitter.com/_/status/1328823206082469897)
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