#indieweb 2020-11-18

2020-11-18 UTC
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Zegnat I think [Ian_Forrester] has been trying out Coil
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[Ian_Forrester] Yes I have https://cubicgarden.com/2020/07/04/giving-web-monetization-a-try/ and https://cubicgarden.com/2020/08/12/1-month-of-trying-web-monetization/
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[Ian_Forrester] Its good
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Loqi [Ianforrester] Iā€™m giving web monetization a try https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/049a987c128b7ce5511081bee6cc98f9?s=42&r=pg
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Zegnat [Ian_Forrester]: did you see the link [tantek] shared above re a leak at Coil? https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/17/coil_email_data_breach/
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[Ian_Forrester] Yes I seen it and not sure what I can really do now?
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Zegnat Probably nothing :/ As often when big providers have a leak or issue
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petermolnar why << https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25134315
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Loqi ok, I added "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25134315" to the "See Also" section of /why https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73518&oldid=72922
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[tantek] [Ian_Forrester] did you get that email from Coil with your address on the To: line with others?
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[Ian_Forrester] Yes I did
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[tantek] petermolnar, I looked at that HN post and it seemed pretty tinfoil-hat ranty w/o useful links etc. what did you find of new value in it that made it worth adding to the "why" page?
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[tantek] (sorry to hear that [Ian_Forrester], definitely curious about your follow-up experience there, what you think you'll do or not do etc.)
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[Ian_Forrester] Right now, there seems to be little I can do. They apologised straight away and only 2 people have actually replied to all. Its a email which isn't super secret but annoying.
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[tantek] lol replied to all. reminds me of Bedlam DL3
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[Ian_Forrester] Oh tantek :)
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[chrisaldrich] Mastodon << Mastodon Server Covenant https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/05/introducing-the-mastodon-server-covenant/ with descriptions for protections against abuses, encouraging [[longevity]], and data back ups
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Loqi ok, I added "Mastodon Server Covenant https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/05/introducing-the-mastodon-server-covenant/ with descriptions for protections against abuses, encouraging [[longevity]], and data back ups" to the "See Also" section of /Mastodon https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73520&oldid=72841
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petermolnar [tantek] it's an opinion.
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petermolnar and sadly not tinfoil hat, but a possible outcome if thing like the indieweb are not around
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petermolnar hence the relevance
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petermolnar if we can link to tweets as opinions under the see also sections, why is this particular one a problem?
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[tantek] with tweets there is usually a succinct point that is being clearly made
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[tantek] that HN post was a rambling mix of random stuff, some interesting, some out there tinfoil hat. so overall it was not very useful and if anything kind of takes away from the more well explained things on /why
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[jacky] I don't know
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[jacky] some of that stuff looks _too_ possible tbh
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[jacky] I can see this bit happening for sure
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[jacky] > Pretty soon we won't be able to "view source". It'll just be binary blobs with DRM
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[jacky] Like with the advent of WebASM and the addiction to using JavaScript to write HTML, sites can be published in a binary form _purely_ for "performance" reasons
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[jacky] > These companies are all gobbling up the commons and pushing us into serfdom. Apple, Google, the RIAA. The whole lot of them have poached and polluted the web and protected their profits.
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[jacky] This is kinda what the WHATWG evolved into, no? A tool for companies (not all) to do things like this and say it in the 'open'
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