#indieweb 2020-11-20

2020-11-20 UTC
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alex11 i would be curious to know how much censorship the silos actually do behind closed doors
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alex11 and how they rationalize it
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alex11 i've heard people who report like, racist pages or whatever on fb and many of them don't get taken down yet other stuff gets removed which is fine
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alex11 of course it's just anecdotes
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[tantek] lol silos flagging / deleting posts is not "censorship", they're companies, not the government.
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[tantek] calling private company actions "censorship" is a far-right framing that they've successfully spread in the media
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KartikPrabhu yup! private companies have every write to allow/disallow any content on their product
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KartikPrabhu just like the one cake shop in Indiana
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KartikPrabhu every right* <goes for more coffee>
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sebbu [tantek], what if "company" is the sole online way for citizen to communicate to the outside world ?
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sebbu and they're controlled / under orders from the government
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sebbu ie, in china
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KartikPrabhu sebbu: the point [tantek] is making is that is govt. censorship
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alex11 conservatives complain so they can get preferential treatment but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen even outside their lunatic rantings
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aaronpk in any case that's the wrong problem to focus on
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aaronpk the larger problem is that a small number of companies have the burden of deciding what to delete from their platform which does have a rather large effect in the real world even if it isn't censorship
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KartikPrabhu yup that ^
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sebbu alex11, not just racist pages
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sebbu i once reported a CP website
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sebbu years after, it was still online
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aaronpk the moderation process at facebook is fundamentally broken
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sebbu i'm talking about isp and hosters
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aaronpk just go look up the reports of people who work on that team
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sebbu moreover, CP should be a priority
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sebbu right after terrorrism
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sebbu ok, i've checked, 15 years later, the website is still up
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alex11 also just algorithmic censorship
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aaronpk again, that's not censorship
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aaronpk in other news, i’m realizing a lot of people are tagging me on linkedin for work stuff and i kind of want to somehow pull that back into my site
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GWG aaronpk: Bridgy PR?
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GWG OwnYourLinkedIn?
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aaronpk yeah i guess that’d be a bridgy thing
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aaronpk just like getting tagged in stuff on twitter
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aaronpk but, more importantly than how the plumbing works, how would i want to present it on my site?
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GWG aaronpk: I asked that question, you remember, when I would get webmentions about you checking me into places on Swarm
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GWG Whether it should create a post or appear on a page.
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aaronpk ah yeah! same thing
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aaronpk what is tagging?
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Loqi tags or tagging refers to categorizing or labeling content, your own or others (tag-reply), with words, phrases, names, or other information, optionally linked to specific people, events, locations, such as the practice of tagging posts being about certain people (person-tag), like tagging people or other items where (area-tag) they're depicted in a photo https://indieweb.org/tagging
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aaronpk hm
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aaronpk if i showed it as a post on my home page it would kind of look like and act like a repost
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aaronpk which isn’t quite right
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aaronpk facebook does this, right? you can have it so that your profile page shows posts that you’re tagged in?
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GWG aaronpk: I haven't been on Facebook in ages, but it used to
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GWG aaronpk: That is sort of what I considered.
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GWG So, I haven't been on linkedin in ages either
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GWG Can you give me an example of someone tagging you?
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GWG And what they are you tagging you for?
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/2020/11/file-20201119195848-4549.png
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GWG This requires a few different scenarios, I think.
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GWG You have 'mentioned you in a post'
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GWG Liked post that mentioned you
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GWG So, the original post mentioning you depends on how you handle person mentioning. If that generates a page...then the likes would be on that page
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aaronpk i’m less concerned about the likes
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aaronpk more how do i want to show these mentions
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aaronpk which i guess are the same thing as being mentioned in tweets, but these carry more weight somehow
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GWG A separate feed for them? That perhaps appears as a condensed version on the homepage?
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aaronpk true, i keep thinking about making a “mentions” page
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aaronpk that could be a good way to start
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aaronpk then later decide what or whether to show on my home page
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[tantek] what is a person tag
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[tantek] what are mentions
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Loqi A mentions page lists webmentions sent to a website https://indieweb.org/mentions
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL, and which the post author explicitly adds as a tagging action, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink, h-card, or @-name (autocompleted or not) https://indieweb.org/person-tag
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aaronpk Not a lot of examples there of how to display one when received
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[snarfed] GWG aaronpk re linkedin backfeed, sadly the necessary APIs are only for advertisers. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/166#issuecomment-471100786
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Loqi [snarfed] so, bad news, probably. [you can get comments, likes, etc from LI's Shares API](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/linkedin/marketing/integrations/community-management/shares/network-update-social-actions#retrieve-comments-on-shares) (LI posts are call...
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aaronpk oof
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Ruxton all these closed "only for advertisers" API's into the walled gardens are hopefully gonna be the death of some of these networks
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[chrisaldrich] What are payments?
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Loqi payment in the context of the indieweb refers to a feature on an indie web site that provides a way for the visitor to that website to pay (currency, gift card credit, etc.) the person represented by that indie web site https://indieweb.org/payments
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[chrisaldrich] payment << https://gumroad.com/gumroad/p/introducing-gumroad-memberships
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Loqi ok, I added "https://gumroad.com/gumroad/p/introducing-gumroad-memberships" to the "See Also" section of /payment https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73586&oldid=73493
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[chrisaldrich] It's yet-another-silo, but at least Gumroad is competing in the space with Patreon and providing some addition functionality and UI examples.
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[chrisaldrich] For those looking at charging for newsletters, this looks like a relatively viable option too. (Disclaimer: I'm not using it at the moment.)
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nolith I was expecting to find some crypto payment system as well on that page. Maybe something selfhosted, based on https://lnbits.com/ I have played a bit with one at https://thanks.abisso.org/paywall/dWB3veCAK56W8AsP3tRQ9e but it's not linked anywhere form my website. And it's extremely slow as it's proxied over a tor hidden service
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[Raphael_Luckom] Has anyone tried integrating stripe or something like that?
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aaronpk has
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[Raphael_Luckom] how'd it go?
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/tip/5
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aaronpk pretty straightforward
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Tip Jar
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aaronpk the only problem was people started using it to test stolen credit cards
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[Raphael_Luckom] cool!
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[Raphael_Luckom] 😞
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aaronpk i changed it to prompt for a description and then redirect to stripe instead of an embedded form and that seems to have made the spam stop
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[Raphael_Luckom] ah that's really good to know
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[cleverdevil] Hello IndieWeb friends! Happy Friday!
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petermolnar evening; on the happy part, I'd like to stop hunting for work cluster problems after 11 hours in front of the computer :(
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sebbu 11h in front of the computer is low !
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sebbu i usually do 16 !
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[jeremycherfas] I have Stripe on a WP site via a paid-for forms plug-in. Works fine.
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