#indieweb 2020-11-28

2020-11-28 UTC
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[jeffpaul] Relevant: https://twitter.com/leonsp/status/1332385683521081348?s=21
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@leonsp @Carnage4Life The industry just needs to standardize on the format of publishing one thing and having it syndicated in many places. Call it Redundant Story Syndication or RSS for short. (twitter.com/_/status/1332385683521081348)
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aaronpk 😂
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sebbu "the format", and we have (at least) 10 differents ones : ICE, CDF, RDF, RSS 0.91 0.92 0.93 0.94, RSS 0.90 1.0 1.1, ATOM 0.2 0.3 1.0, RSS 2.0, gdata, feedsync/simple sharing extensions and now html5
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sebbu (i'm sure there was a RDF format for new syndication before RSS was created, but i can't find it)
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[KevinMarks] Project X? the MCF thing?
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[KevinMarks] https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/apples-hotsauce-technology-project-x
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[jgmac1106] petermolnar exploring chronological vs topical content the conversation inspired me to finally pull together my history of rock and roll stuff: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/content/listen/?offset=20 chronological harder for the reader
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[jgmac1106] versus a topical or categorical view: http://longthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/doku.php?id=rocknroll#early_roots granted I am adding some more context, but kinda my workflow
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[jgmac1106] curate quickly with bookmark (or listen posts) really just mean a link with some context, and then maybe one day organize it into a more archive like post
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[jgmac1106] I must say Dokuwiki while rough around the edges and missing a few key things is kinda what I want in an CMS, adding the blogging features I was able to add the stuff to make it work with other IndieWeb tools
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petermolnar I genuinely thought "spotify stories" was a joke O.O https://www.engadget.com/spotify-stories-playlist-test-artists-202540428.html
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petermolnar Anyone here from France or Australia who could tell a bit about that social media needs to pay licence fees to news outlets? I'm curious how it's defined what falls into the needs-licencing (and thus paid) category.
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sebbu I'm from France, but I'm not aware of that
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sebbu (I don't always watch the news, so I might just be uninformed)
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sebbu I don't see anything about that on the (french) news
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sebbu petermolnar, are you sure you're not confusing this with the recent-ish facebook news that'll pay news outlet to publish news on the social network ?
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petermolnar I could be
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petermolnar hence the question :)
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petermolnar so what is the source of my confusion, what the story in France?
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sebbu idk, i haven't heard anything about that
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sebbu i know that facebook gives itself a free, lifetime right to your publications and photos, and might forbid you from selling them elsewhere (which instagram doesn't forbid you to, but with the recent-ish merge...)
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sebbu (it applies especially to journalists and photographers)
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Zegnat That sounds interesting. I can see if the socmed desk at work knows anything of the like, if I can get ahold of them on Monday
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[jgmac1106] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-usa-tax/france-orders-tech-giants-to-pay-digital-tax-idUKKBN28522M
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[jgmac1106] will wait for the US reaction in terms of tariffs, won't play well here with public, a foreign government claiming sovereignty to tax US corporations, that will strike a chord with many
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Zegnat "a foreign government claiming sovereignty to tax US corporations" - who are selling goods in said foreign country. The often forgotten thing. Facebook is completely free to not have dealings in France and instead serve an HTTP 451 instead, like so many US newspapers do *shrug*
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[tantek] That’ll motivate a bunch of VPN usage
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ehmry I steer clear of any american news about things that happen in europe
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[Raphael_Luckom] yeah as Zegnat said, it's a very weird way to phrase the fact that a government is taxing things within its borders.
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[Raphael_Luckom] probably shared already, but an interesting background piece on the relationship advertisers like facebook and google have with publishers: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/data-lords-the-real-story-of-big-data-facebook-and-the-future-of-news
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[jgmac1106] Zegnat Not saying I don't agree. Just saying the nuances of data transmission are will not resonate as well as any anti-tax message. The French are trying tax Americans just comes off easier. ...Some places still sell "Freedom Fries" instead of French Fries
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[KevinMarks] Wait, I thought it was a company in the Turks and Caicos Islands that owned all of Facebook's IP
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[KevinMarks] Cayman Islands
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[tantek] this tax stuff feels more like chat unless someone was going to connect why this impacts your personal site?
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