#indieweb 2021-01-28

2021-01-28 UTC
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[timothy_chambe] ↩️ Was this the attempt at getting this as a feature request into the development t the Mastodon github?
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[timothy_chambe] https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/4800
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Loqi [Sylvhem] #4800 Allow Mastodon to be used as an OpenID provider
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[KevinMarks] I read that as indie ballad and was expecting a sea shanty
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GWG [KevinMarks]: Indie Sea Shanty sounds fun.
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bw3 🎶 Soon may the weatherman come, to bring us OpenID and rum
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bw3 I apologize for that
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GWG Send, send...send the webmention....
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GWG [KevinMarks]: If you are still awake, we have an HWC coming online
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GWG I could sing some folk music if it helps
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[timothy_chambe] ↩️ So I think anyone who uses brid.gy should have a a mastodon account in the format of `@username@example.com` and happy to add any voices writing on #indieweb that federate to those accounts on the page...
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[tw2113_Slack_] you could start up Shanske’s Shanties
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gRegorLove From the HWC conversatoin, IndieMon https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/badges#IndieMon
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GWG [tw2113_Slack_]: Osm
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GWG [tw2113_Slack_]: Isn't that a real estate play?
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[tw2113_Slack_] if it is, purely coincidental
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jacky the bit above about 'conference passes' and badging is interesting
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jacky but indiemon++
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Loqi indiemon has 1 karma over the last year
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[KevinMarks] I remember that conversation
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vilhalmer assuming an in person event occurs at some point again it'd be cool to have physical badges that log into your side with indieauth and then when you meet people you can like touch them together and they send webmentions to the opposite person
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vilhalmer *your site
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jacky oh vilhalmer
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jacky yes
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jacky lol
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vilhalmer see how many indieweb protocols you can implement into your badge by the end of the conference
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jacky tbh that'd be so good b/c low contact and makes it easy to keep track of who you met (and maybe even map what event y'all met at)
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vilhalmer yeah with some ibeacon stuff around it could know which conference room you're in at the time or w/e
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vilhalmer (though time is probably mostly sufficient)
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jacky time yeah
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jacky I _think_ because of the heavy unconference style of things, it'd be needed to have some eye-to-eye contact
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jacky tbh though if it was easy to take that paper board of events and like 'digitize' it (maybe some sort of semi-smart stickers with QR codes that can auto-link to a etherpad/wiki?) then it'd be even easier
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jacky ^ very big brain moment lol
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[KevinMarks] Aaron had a very cool active badge last time we met
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[Raphael_Luckom] just started reading this, but seems like some interesting observations on distributed moderation: https://cblgh.org/articles/trustnet.html
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zootella Hi indieweb! Very last minute, but if you're online now, join Dat Ecosystem folks as we talk about the decentralized web! https://twitter.com/dat_protocol/status/1354160364435496961
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@dat_protocol Join Dat's community call Thursday--it's all about the decentralized web! We've got @pfrazee of @BeakerBrowser, @RangerMauve of Agregore, @calm_rad of @GatewayBrowser Come learn how to decentralize your blog/page/app! https://github.com/datproject/comm-comm/issues/187 #javascript #webdevelopment #dweb (twitter.com/_/status/1354160364435496961)
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alex11 we can never talk to these decentralization program people lol
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alex11 the meeting ends and then off we go to our respective irc/discord channels never to speak again
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alex11 tho they say they want to make it an "every other month" meeting
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sknebel They don't bite if you join their channels too :D
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alex11 i mean i'm in their discord channels, some of them
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alex11 i just don't know if there's something else
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alex11 from what i gather, no
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lahacker well i tried again to find a way to bridge the worlds..
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lahacker i think i could start by stashing uploaded files on IPFS
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alex11 i just get confused by how many projects there are and what project does what functionality and what is built off other projects (i think agregore is based on beaker) vs what's independent and how much overlap there is between concepts and not knowing a lot of basic concepts in the first place
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alex11 think i'll just... focus on one project at a time
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[KevinMarks]1 I think we need a better map than the one in the bluesky doc
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[snarfed] it’s a pretty good first pass though
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[snarfed] obviously not perfect and 100% comprehensive, but still
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[KevinMarks]1 It's a good summary of each one in its own terms but less good at comparing them and looking for interop
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alex11 or at least, meaningful interop
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alex11 all these things i'm sure can interop with each other but picking out the more useful usecases is more difficult
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[snarfed] they do have a bridges section for each one, which basically covers interop, since almost none of them interop “natively”/by design
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alex11 fair enough
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[snarfed] and the whole second half is comparisons
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alex11 i only became aware of the paper today so clearly i haven't read it yet
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[snarfed] anyway, agreed, it could definitely be better, but it’s one of the first serious attempts i’ve seen to review the space overall, which is good
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[snarfed] kind of the academic white paper corollary to the internet archive’s people-focused community approach
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chiragdi what is a good fediverse reader for iPhone? I've been using Fedilab for android, which is pretty slick. Now I'm curious about good options for the iPhone
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "good fediverse reader for iPhone" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "good fediverse reader for iPhone is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[KevinMarks]1 bluesky << https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/01/twitter-and-interoperability-some-thoughts-peanut-gallery
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/01/twitter-and-interoperability-some-thoughts-peanut-gallery" to the "See Also" section of /bluesky https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74400&oldid=74339
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alex11 notes with anger and derision how it's the twitter bluesky project and not the facebook bluesky project
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alex11 they would never do it
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[KevinMarks]1 Cory says that - they're number 2, they need it more
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alex11 i didn't realize who wrote that; not surprised it's him
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alex11 can't stand zuckerberg... lol
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alex11 my issue with fb isn't even necessarily the tracking and targeted ads (which i think is an important conversation that should be had), it's the goalpost shifting the moat building
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alex11 and it's very in line with zuck's personality
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alex11 but anyway
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[snarfed] #-chat is a good place for tech politics
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alex11 sorry
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alex11 everyone else is like, "look at all these exciting things we can do with decentralization and indieweb!" and i come along and i'm like complain complain complain complain fuck this person fuck that person
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alex11 maybe i should cut that out a bit
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[snarfed] 😁
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lahacker one takeaway from the chat earlier is that these technologies (IPFS/Hyper) are being positioned as replacements and not extensions; the assumption being that the web is funadmentally broken
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alex11 i'm a little less extreme, i view the two as complementary
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[snarfed] at least, they want to do new/different things that the web doesn’t do
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alex11 yeah i think on a stand-alone level the technologies are fantastic
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alex11 i mean the decentralized technologies
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lahacker i asked how i might get started with an ipfs.js or like on my site or in my browser extension.. someone brought up WebRTC.. then someone yadda yadda'd "STUN server".. then someone went on "yeah it'd be nice if everyone had a little server of their own"..
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[snarfed] 😂
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lahacker life on the edge is hard ;)
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jacky ha
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alex11 angelo i'm going to start a drinking game where i take a shot every time you say "i'm looking at this from an indieweb perspective..."
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jacky well that's what this channel is for
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jacky especially since it's the main one
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alex11 i meant in the dweb etc calls :P
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lahacker yeah i lay in wait for the opportunity to introduce myself as "Angelo from the IndieWeb"
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lahacker feels culty
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lahacker but i feel it's almost necessary to lead with "i'm coming from a different place"
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lahacker and alex11 is always lurking there in the shadows! :)
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alex11 i was talking in chat lol
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alex11 i don't know if you even noticed
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lahacker zoom chat is the worst
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jacky ahh
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alex11 but yeah nobody needs to hear me ramble on about bullshit
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alex11 me on mute is better
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lahacker i'll keep rep'n the indieweb
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lahacker "decentralized identity" came up and the conversation went quickly off the rails
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jacky as expected
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jacky the credweb group is def chatty now too
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jacky esp after birdwatch
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lahacker i mentioned something along the lines of "so you've heard of oauth, right? [YEAH] [SURE] so one of our guys made it so that you can use your website as an identifier"
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lahacker there wasn't really much of a conversation needed after that
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jacky they probably couldn't see the immediate sell for it
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jacky which isn't unwarranted
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lahacker it was straightforward and just WAY easier to explain than what was being talked about
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jacky ah that's probably why it wasn't picked up ;)
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lahacker i think there was just an immediate acknowledgement and respect for a simple solution
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jacky ah
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alex11 i've just been gently inquiring "sooo... where do all of you collaborate when you're not doing zoom calls every 4 months"
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alex11 there are discords for individual projects but that's a bit fragmented
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alex11 also the last call was organized by the internet archive... this was... not? i think?
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alex11 there was some event later in december i didn't go to also organized by the internet archive
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alex11 but they said they wanted to meet every other month
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lahacker by far the biggest thing the IndieWeb can offer this space
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lahacker is the philosophy and pragmatism
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jacky yup
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alex11 incidentally i absolutely hate the word blockchain
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jacky nudges this into #indieweb-chat
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jacky mainly b/c this isn't on topic :)
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