neshpionthey're gonna have shadow moderators sending footage of people behaving in unsanctioned ways, connected via facebook to real identities. VR was meant to be an escape but they will make it a prison
[tantek]snarfed, not sure I agree with "one of the first serious attempts i’ve seen to review the space overall". there's been various such "reviews" about once a year since the Internet Archive did dweb conf 2016. I recall one from EthanZ that was quite similar.
[tantek]also, I'm quite disappointed in how much it's focused on plumbing, and nearly zero on actual top 10 social media / social web / distributed / decentralized UX problems.
petermolnarI briefly read through the decentralized topic, and my conclusions could be summarized in ::sigh::. First of all: "X is broken" implies X doesn't work - the web, as technology works, email, as technology, works, etc. They are not "broken" in the actual meaning of the word, therefore it would be nice to stop implying it is. It it very hard to take dat:// seriously after building dat:// for years, only to suddenly become hyper-{x,y,z,a}
petermolnarPutting these aside, the other thing that itches is the "decentralize" wording with an implicit thought towards p2p, while both dat and IPFS would rely on always-on nodes for any kind of data that is not read and stored by half the world - in reality leading back to servers. The sole difference between the current web and, say, and IPFS based "web" would be the one runs on DNS and the other runs of essentially torrent, without the addi
[tantek]snarfed, the EthanZ paper is in /to-do I think as something (now “old” 😜) to write a response / follow up to since it completely ignored anything IndieWeb (and anything people are practically using? Like most “dweb” projects of 2016)
[KevinMarks]That's the bit I find frustrating. The original web project was tying together a lot of different protocols into a useful form, whereas a lot of the soi disant web3 stuff is monoculture
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[Raphael_Luckom]From my perspective, part of the problem is that a lot of those who are available to work in this space are interested in having and presenting _new ideas_. I'm skeptical that there are any ideas we need that aren't already staring us in the face. The kinds of capabilities people _want_ already exist in a million forms. The economic incentives that underpin the current implementations are largely f-ed up, and lead to some seriously dark
[Raphael_Luckom]places. But we (humanity) has done a pretty good job of exploring the decision tree wrt those systems, so it's likely that we'll do better by reconfiguring what we already have to avoid some of the problems we see, rather than trust ourselves to start over at the theory level and build from there.
[Raphael_Luckom]it's just, if your primary interest is putting a flag in something and having it carry your name forever, there's no useful new territory to support that goal
[snarfed](you’d probably also enjoy some of Kevin Kelly’s stuff for a good counterpoint, notably his book What Technology Wants. really great. the thesis is basically, “You are not too late.“)
jackyfeedback, in this case, can be a few things: interactivity (and the speed of it) and flexiblity (does content tend to adjust and present itself in a way that 'makes sense') to start
[schmarty]jacky: i have some thoughts!!! i use Indigenous on iPhone multiple times a day and have a few nits that sound related to what you are asking.
[schmarty]one interactivity issue relates to the Like button on an individual feed item. it gives no feedback that it has been touched, but even if it did i would want it to give feedback on the process of actually making a like post on my site. right now it requires faith that everything will work.
[schmarty]related to content presentation, the content view in the app often shows... nothing. so i'll see a post's title in list view, swipe to view it, and just get a blank white page. i then have to tap the Open in Safari button to go visit the site.
[chrisaldrich]I use readers pretty regularly and wish that more readers (and micropub clients in general) would support "read posts" natively for saving (usually longer articles). Indigenous for Android is the only one that does so presently.
[chrisaldrich]for others, I'll sometimes add them as private bookmarks with a read tag and just manually change them later.... they're all roughly equivalent
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jackyI kinda want to make a similar report that Twitter did but more focused on what can make social readers feel a bit more "first-class" (such a loaded and opinionated term tbh) so it'd be easier for me to suggest to others
jacky[tantek]: I don't know re: adding to digital library, tbh - at least for me! Like I'd like to keep a 'journal' of sorts of the things I'd read as well as anything regarding those books that I've captured (highlights/quotations, photos of a page [I do that a lot, lol], etc)
[tantek]jacky, I do copy/paste (most of) the articles/links I read into my plain text personal journal (text file lol) just as a way to find them later like what was the thing I read about something (and local plain text search still beats anything web)