#indieweb 2021-01-29
2021-01-29 UTC
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alex11 interesting
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@MikeIsaac hello, here is some news Facebook is building a newsletter product, designed to court independent writers and journalists it could be similar to offerings from startups like Substack and Revue https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/28/business/us-economy-coronavirus/facebook-is-said-to-be-planning-newsletter-tools-to-court-independent-writers (twitter.com/_/status/1354970698934935553)
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# alex11 they do realize you don't have to compete with every product, right
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# neshpion where they don't compete they're leaving user data on the table, and that's just not acceptable
# neshpion facebook's mission is to become the world in which we live and breathe
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# neshpion ;~;
# neshpion rip oculus
# neshpion they're gonna have shadow moderators sending footage of people behaving in unsanctioned ways, connected via facebook to real identities. VR was meant to be an escape but they will make it a prison
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petermolnar I briefly read through the decentralized topic, and my conclusions could be summarized in ::sigh::. First of all: "X is broken" implies X doesn't work - the web, as technology works, email, as technology, works, etc. They are not "broken" in the actual meaning of the word, therefore it would be nice to stop implying it is. It it very hard to take dat:// seriously after building dat:// for years, only to suddenly become hyper-
{x,y,z,a}# petermolnar Putting these aside, the other thing that itches is the "decentralize" wording with an implicit thought towards p2p, while both dat and IPFS would rely on always-on nodes for any kind of data that is not read and stored by half the world - in reality leading back to servers. The sole difference between the current web and, say, and IPFS based "web" would be the one runs on DNS and the other runs of essentially torrent, without the addi
# petermolnar simple clarity on how to set it up? IPFS is fantastic, but it's also one of the most wasteful solutions I've seen in my life.
# petermolnar tional benefits of DNS, such as automatic service discovery outside the web. Overall, I'm not convinced this really is a way forward.
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[KevinMarks] Good thread from Jeff https://twitter.com/jeffjarvis/status/1355125054133202947?s=20
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@jeffjarvis @esglaude Well, @esglaude, since you ask. 😁.... I will start by highly recommending @jkosseff's The Twenty-Six Words that Created the Internet; it is excellent history and explanation. Here is summary: 1/ (twitter.com/_/status/1355125054133202947)
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# [KevinMarks] That's the bit I find frustrating. The original web project was tying together a lot of different protocols into a useful form, whereas a lot of the soi disant web3 stuff is monoculture
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# [Raphael_Luckom] From my perspective, part of the problem is that a lot of those who are available to work in this space are interested in having and presenting _new ideas_. I'm skeptical that there are any ideas we need that aren't already staring us in the face. The kinds of capabilities people _want_ already exist in a million forms. The economic incentives that underpin the current implementations are largely f-ed up, and lead to some seriously dark
# [Raphael_Luckom] places. But we (humanity) has done a pretty good job of exploring the decision tree wrt those systems, so it's likely that we'll do better by reconfiguring what we already have to avoid some of the problems we see, rather than trust ourselves to start over at the theory level and build from there.
# [snarfed] you might enjoy a couple indieweb talks i’ve given on that same idea: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-06-09-dwebsummit-indieweb , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkc5afFohmI
# [Raphael_Luckom] it's just, if your primary interest is putting a flag in something and having it carry your name forever, there's no useful new territory to support that goal
# [KevinMarks] this might be interesting for those of us who have been contributing to MDN https://twitter.com/OpenWebDocs/status/1354849636004073475?s=20
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@OpenWebDocs We’re holding our first community webinar on 17 Feb at 17:00 UTC. There will be a live Q&A session with Open Web Docs team members, focusing on how we work, our goals, and how you can get involved Public calendar: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/4?cid=Y19vbGpyaTVyYmN1dGJmczkyb2ZwYTN1ajVzOEBncm91cC5jYWxlbmRhci5nb29nbGUuY29t Submit questions: https://forms.gle/z46q8QaXQy3Y67hp8 (twitter.com/_/status/1354849636004073475)
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[tantek] Hey folks this looks very IndieWeb collaboration like. Be your usual kind & warm selves! https://twitter.com/EmilyKager/status/1355203825464987651
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@EmilyKager Software Engineers - let's collaborate on a project! Who is planning to build or overhaul your current personal website in the next 3 months and would be open to trying to do it in a new tool? Fill out the Google form to get involved! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdMi-_tcctQ0YzUAikwkKMF6RZaCVgEfmHCNVbN2onW-nR4kg/viewform (twitter.com/_/status/1355203825464987651)
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# [Raphael_Luckom] I have nothing to offer this conversation but I'm _very_ interested
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[schmarty] jacky: i have some thoughts!!! i use Indigenous on iPhone multiple times a day and have a few nits that sound related to what you are asking.
# [schmarty] one interactivity issue relates to the Like button on an individual feed item. it gives no feedback that it has been touched, but even if it did i would want it to give feedback on the process of actually making a like post on my site. right now it requires faith that everything will work.
# [schmarty] related to content presentation, the content view in the app often shows... nothing. so i'll see a post's title in list view, swipe to view it, and just get a blank white page. i then have to tap the Open in Safari button to go visit the site.
# [schmarty] hope that is the kind of thing you're looking for!
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[chrisaldrich] I use readers pretty regularly and wish that more readers (and micropub clients in general) would support "read posts" natively for saving (usually longer articles). Indigenous for Android is the only one that does so presently.
# [chrisaldrich] for others, I'll sometimes add them as private bookmarks with a read tag and just manually change them later.... they're all roughly equivalent
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