#indieweb 2021-02-01

2021-02-01 UTC
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[timothy_chambe] BTW: I brought up the idea of IndieAuth integration into future Mastodon builds in the #mastodev discussion and got this reaction, any thoughts on what I should reply, or anyone here also in Mastodon want to chime in?
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[timothy_chambe] https://social.coop/@bmann/105653162825189232
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aaronpk i'm not sure i understand your suggestion
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jacky doesn't either
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[chrisaldrich] and Boris Mann is aware of IndieWeb in general too.
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[KevinMarks] @cambridgeport90 this is the contrast tool I mentioned https://www.myndex.com/APCA/
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[timothy_chambe] ↩️ I was thinking Mastodon could use IndieAuth for simpler user sign-in, tc, but also this, which seemed under consideration:
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[timothy_chambe] https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/100335199107517282
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Loqi [Eugen] IndieAuth sounds interesting as a more generic way for federated applications to allow app registrations https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/The question is how do we adapt this after our current, extremely similar but somewhat different system has b...
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aaronpk that thread is 2 years old wow
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aaronpk i’m not sure it makes much sense to have people log in to a mastodon account with a different indieauth account tbh
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aaronpk i would much rather get mastodon to adopt indieauth so that all mastodon accounts *are* indieauth identities
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cambridgeport90 If we're going to do that, why not Pleroma with GlitchSoc on top? Pleroma is much lighter than Mastodon.
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cambridgeport90 (I would like to see the same thing. Only Fediverse/IndieAuth application I know of is microblog.pub, and not sure if that's still in development.)
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[KevinMarks] mastodon kinda enables relMeAuth, but evangelising pleroma too is worth doing
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cambridgeport90 I love Pleroma too because ... markdown.
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cambridgeport90 LOL
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aaronpk has mastodon reached the point where it’s big enough that the only way to get them to do things is to get all the smaller projects to do the thing first and then they have to catch up?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://barryfrost.com/2021/01/channel
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[KevinMarks] https://webdevlaw.uk/2021/01/30/why-generation-x-will-save-the-web/
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petermolnar according to that article, [KevinMarks], I'm gen X, which is controversial, given I'm a '85 model.
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KartikPrabhu you are a model!!
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KartikPrabhu ;)
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petermolnar but it's a good article nonetheless
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[KevinMarks] I think there are a lot of gen x trolls and future shock people too
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[KevinMarks] Also today https://twitter.com/mrdanwalker/status/1356143089316990977?s=20
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@mrdanwalker Since I tweeted about the possibility of photo ID to get a social media account yesterday lots of people have given valid reasons why it would be a problem. Is it too simple a solution for a complicated problem? Let us know what you think... (twitter.com/_/status/1356143089316990977)
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aaronpk so wait he’s doubling down on it?
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/mgreenaw/status/1356162566242840577?s=21
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@mgreenaw "This might be a complicated question, so here's a yes/no poll for the uninformed masses to settle it" We've learned nothing since 2016, literally nothing. https://twitter.com/mrdanwalker/status/1356143089316990977 (twitter.com/_/status/1356162566242840577)
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cbradford[m] <Loqi "[@mgreenaw] "This might be a com"> If photo ID requirements are racist and discriminatory for voting, then how can it be any different for social media? Given that voting is the most fundamental thing to get right, social media sites should not be allowed to impose higher barriers that those requirements.
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[timothy_chambe] ↩️ That is very likely so.
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aaronpk fyi for people on slack, slack threading doesn't translate well when bridged to the other platforms, so it's best to provide context for what you're replying to
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aaronpk if i could turn off slack threads on our account I would
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[timothy_chambe] ↩️ I'd think that is a great idea.
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KartikPrabhu ^ lol!
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aaronpk exactly :)
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KartikPrabhu ↩️ huh!
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KartikPrabhu :P jk
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aaronpk at least we can see that it's a reply in a thread now. the messages were far more confusing bfore
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KartikPrabhu yes, the "symbol" does help
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jacky a lot
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://randomgeekery.org/post/2020/04/indieweb-h-cards/ (from https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2021/02/ukn9b/)
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[fluffy] I wonder what it is about indieauth that causes people to focus on the client usage instead of the server usage. I don’t see much point to being able to log in to Mastodon using IndieAuth, but there’s a huge amount of potential from letting folks use their Mastodon identity to log in to other Indieweb things.
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[fluffy] Not to mention, the server usage is a lot easier to implement than the client usage.
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[KevinMarks] That would also help for micropub posting to mastodon
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jacky [fluffy]: I think it's a lack of clients that have some value to people
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jacky which is a problem of the AP space more than anything else
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jacky like for example, there's this new social book platform (bookwyrm or something)
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jacky it _has_ AP support but it doesn't allow remote sign-in (or just using it as a client) - you _have_ to do it locally
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[fluffy] I hadn’t even thought about the micropub-to-mastodon thing (which would be cool) but like… even things like logging into websites to post comments or whatever.
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jacky ^
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[fluffy] things where ActivityPub is not the right model.
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jacky right
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aaronpk in my experience, activitypub developers have a real hard time thinking outside of the activitypub model :/
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[fluffy] like, I’d really like the Fediverse backend for Authl to be unnecessary
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jacky like using AS2 as a storage format is dope (and technically can be effective!) but pushing it all the way up is a mistake there
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[fluffy] (all backends, really, but pick your battles)
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jacky lmfao
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[fluffy] obligatory https://xkcd.com/927/
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Loqi [XKCD] Standards https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
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[KevinMarks] Does anyone implement the activitypub client api?
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] is right about a good use-case for Mastodon to implement IndieAuth is as a building block for Micropub server support
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[tantek] at this point there are tons (and more being made all the time) of Micropub clients, there are few if any AP C2S clients, and there are Mastodon-proprietary-API clients. So it makes the most sense to go for Micropub as the common interop protocol there
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[fluffy] yeah, and even without micropub I’d love to see indieauth become a standard federated identity protocol that works independently of other OAuth-type concerns.
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[fluffy] OpenID 1 was a really useful protocol and it sucks that nobody supports it anymore. IndieAuth is just as useful and also a lot easier to deal with.
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[fluffy] s/just as/at least as/
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[tantek] yes that's an even better pitch
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[KevinMarks] As mastodon already does mf2 output, using micropub to repost from mastodon should be doable too.
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[tantek] kinda suprised Loqi hasn't nudged us to dev yet with all this protocol talk
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aaronpk for real Loqi, slacking
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jacky lol
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