#indieweb 2021-02-24

2021-02-24 UTC
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[KevinMarks] https://andy-bell.co.uk/1614113742/
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jacky ayeee
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jacky and no webmention support :( lol
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@ArchiveEu We just launched! 🎉🥳 #InternetArchive #EU http://archive.eu https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/EurHQzQXUAUfyzQ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1363121796279635968)
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sebsel hmmm... https://twitter.com/ArchiveEu/status/1363121796279635968
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sebsel The European Web Archive is a free service which provides access to historical versions of websites. The mission is to provide a long-term archive of websites to citizens of the EU and abroad. […] We are not funded by the EU. It would make sense if the EU Commission paves the way for a EU-funded and operated internet archiving project.
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sebsel says the site.
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sebsel It has one snapshot of my site.
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sebsel I don't see anything to ping it, like you can with archive.org (which I do for every link I mention / webmention)
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jbove This seems like a promotion campaign to fill up the search index of https://intelx.io/about
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jbove > The search works with selectors, i.e. specific search terms such as email addresses, domains, URLs, IPs, CIDRs, Bitcoin addresses, IPFS hashes, etc.
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jbove Unlike archive.org, this "internet archive" has clear business objectives to sell access to the data they have indexed: https://intelx.io/terms-of-service
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jbove People cancelling their Clubhouse accounts because privacy concerns: https://twitter.com/chelseycolbert/status/1362821678926077957
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@chelseycolbert Interesting read! Also nice to see that dark patterns are (finally) having the privacy/ethics moment they deserve. "Clubhouse engages in dark patterns in getting users to give access to their contacts and their Twitter information." https://medium.com/privacy-technology/when-fomo-trumps-privacy-the-clubhouse-edition-82526c6cd702 (twitter.com/_/status/1362821678926077957)
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jbove sebsel: what do you think of the InternetArchive thing? I wish there was a EU Internet Archive, but I'm very sceptical about the motivations of the company behind this archive.eu.
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jeremycherfas That site renders my one eu domain in a very ugly fashion.
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[tantek] jbove, yup, you nailed it: "company". anything profit-seeking is too fragile to be considered an "archive"
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[tantek] what is Clubhouse
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Clubhouse" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Clubhouse is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] ^ I'll let someone who actually is on it / uses it start that
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[tantek] worth adding the privacy / dark patterns criticisms
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jbove What are dark patterns?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dark patterns" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "dark patterns is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] hmm thought we had a stub for that
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[tantek] apparently not!
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[tantek] jbove the WP article is a good summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern — if there are IndieWeb specific aspects we could start a stub with that
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aaronpk interesting, no mention of dark patterns on https://indieweb.org/antipatterns either
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[tantek] there's only a couple of pages that use the expression
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[tantek] maybe worth mining the chat logs for more
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jacky what is indiebookclub
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Loqi indiebookclub is an app for posting books you are reading to your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/indiebookclub
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jacky okay
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jacky I was curious if commenting on a book was a thing
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jacky like in a similar way of doing highlights with Goodreads (or really, just collecting notes about a book)
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[KevinMarks] silo quits <<https://twitter.com/nameshiv/status/1364579897314738184?s=20
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@nameshiv After threatening to do it for years, my dad made a Facebook account yesterday, read like 6 posts, turned to sister and said "This is just the same garbage as the TV but I have to remember a password to hear it" and deleted his account & I think I want to be him when I grow up (twitter.com/_/status/1364579897314738184)
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jacky at the same time, the site most _definitely_ promotes and highlights particular forms of content more than others
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jacky and does it invisibly to the users
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jacky so as far as they can see, it's their friends
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jacky I can't fault them for seeing that
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jacky yeah
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[tantek] what is the algorithm
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Loqi An algorithm in general is a series of steps used to to automatically perform computations and other operations to produce a result; on the IndieWeb many standards have user-centric algorithms for peer to peer site interactions; social media silos have user-exploitative algorithms for advertising and reinforcing addictive behaviors https://indieweb.org/algorithm
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[tantek] ^ -> #indieweb-chat
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[tantek] yeah, just trying to keep rants about particular (even, especially? hyperprivileged) individuals out of the main channel
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jacky lmfao
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jacky not an implant
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[cleverdevil] waves
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[cleverdevil] Check out my latest little project! - https://cleverdevil.io/health/2021/02/21
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[cleverdevil] Still a WIP, but I am very pleased with it so far 🙂
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aaronpk ooh
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[tantek] welcome back cleverdevil++
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Loqi cleverdevil has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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[cleverdevil] I've got my HealthKit metrics from my phone/watch all streaming up to a data lake in S3.
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[cleverdevil] I can query it with SQL using Athena 😄
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[tantek] up for a demo of your health stuff / posts at tonight's HWC? cc: GWG
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[tantek] GWG, can you make it happen with the host? 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Built out a little microservice that lets me pull details for individual days, etc.
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[cleverdevil] I could maybe do that!
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GWG [tantek]: How much pull do I have with this week's host? He seems pretty independently minded.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Always nice to see you
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[cleverdevil] Same, @GWG!
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[cleverdevil] Wish I had more time to be active here 😛
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GWG [cleverdevil]: May the future grant your wish.
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[cleverdevil] :crossed_fingers:
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gRegorLove o/ [cleverdevil]
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[cleverdevil] \o [gRegorLove]
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[cleverdevil] Okay, for those interested in seeing (some) of the code for my HealthKit sync service, I’ll see you over in #indieweb-dev
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