#indieweb 2021-02-25

2021-02-25 UTC
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jacky and we're live!
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jacky Jacob Hall's introducing himself and his site at https://jacobhall.net
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nunod aaronpk: just saw your tweet :)
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aaronpk hello!
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aaronpk Looks like the slack bridge got disconnected
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nunod I was told you own webmention.rocks
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aaronpk freenode had a server go down and it looks like it didn't survive the netsplit
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aaronpk there we go
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nunod speaking of bringing things back from the dead, I tried to access webmention.rocks but only get error 502 bad gateway
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aaronpk i see... same problem as before, fixing it now
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nunod :)
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aaronpk back now
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nunod aw man its been a long time since I've logged in irc, feels great!
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nunod everything is slack and discord now
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nunod so should I place more technical questions in #indieweb-dev ?
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aaronpk yes please :)
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nunod aaronpk: totally offtopic, but Ive been learning sanskrit and 'r' is in fact a vowel xD
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aaronpk :-D
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[tantek] For our German friends, this seems to be some particularly bad anti-IndieWeb practices (against indieweb restaurant sites in particular) https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/lieferandos-geschaeft-mit-schattenwebseiten,SPx7MeL (article is in German)
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solari[m] proficient? Thanks!
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[KevinMarks] there's https://brid.gy/about#publishing
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solari[m] I do have that but it seems to only work when there is a link from my website like a blog post, not for status updates, etc. like Twitter/Mastodon etc. I can post those from my site but it apparently needs an URL embebbed to be able to follow it so all my tweets/toots have the URL in it which is a bit off-setting.
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solari[m] (I could be doing it wrong however ; ))
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[tantek] status updates are posts!
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gRegorLove solari[m], the syndicated posts don't have to have a link back: https://brid.gy/about#link
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solari[m] Ah, that may be where my confusion is. Will check it out. What about replying to them from my website, is that possible or do I still need to go to say Twitter to reply?
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gRegorLove For Twitter specifically, nope! I use Bridgy Publish which takes my original post and publishes it on Twitter
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solari[m] And you can reply to Tweet replies from your website, right?
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gRegorLove Correct
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gRegorLove What is reply?
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Loqi A reply (or comment) is a kind of post that is a text (typically, though photos are possible too) response to some other post, that makes little or no sense without reading or at least knowing the context of the source post https://indieweb.org/reply
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solari[m] Thanks for helping this rank newbie out ; )
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solari[m] I'd like to one day have a micropub reader to handle it all but it's way over my head at the moment.
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gRegorLove When I tell Bridgy to publish to Twitter, it parses my post for the URL it's in reply to, then handles publishing to Twitter in reply to that tweet.
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solari[m] Makes sense.
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gRegorLove The How To section on /reply has more details.
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solari[m] Reading...
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gRegorLove You're welcome! If you have more detailed questions about the markup or Bridgy Publish, we're happy to help in #indieweb-dev
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Loqi solari[m] gRegorLove: can you move the tech talk to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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gRegorLove pats Loqi
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solari[m] Gotcha, will move over there when I have more questions!
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solari[m] Thanks for yawl's help!
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[chrisaldrich] !tell [scojjac] for your highlights journey, you might find some other alternates on the /highlight wiki page if you haven't found it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[scojjac] Thanks [chrisaldrich] I will check it out
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[chrisaldrich] solari[m] What is your website?
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[tantek] what is a super follow
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "super follow" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "super follow is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] heh was wondering if someone went there already. FYI: https://twitter.com/verge/status/1365005189070147590
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@verge Twitter announces paid Super Follows to let you charge for tweets https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/25/22301375/twitter-super-follows-communities-paid-followers?utm_campaign=theverge&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvF4_EPWgAMpqgM.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1365005189070147590)
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aaronpk wat
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[tantek] no it's not 4/1
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/ginadivittorio/status/1365043590536310784?s=20
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@ginadivittorio Last time I had a super follower I had to get mace and a VPN (twitter.com/_/status/1365043590536310784)
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aaronpk oh i guess that's like youtube and twitch memberships huh
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jacky nah Twitter is biting _hard_ of Telepath with the communities approach
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jacky like that's very reminiscent of that 'post into a community/hashtag' that's lightly curated
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jacky what is Web sign-in
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Loqi Web sign-in is signing in to websites using your personal web address (without having to use your e-mail address) https://indieweb.org/Web_sign-in
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jacky hmm
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jacky I wonder if that page would be less of a stub if some of the linked pages were added into it
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jacky like https://indieweb.org/Web_sign-in could have the use-cases in it
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jacky the ones mentioned at https://indieweb.org/sign-in-use-cases
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jacky okay copy question
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jacky if I want to tell people that you don't have to 'sign up' in the IndieWeb, that it's implicit once you bring your own URL, how would y'all put that into words that didn't have to use 'URL' or 'identity'
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jacky forgot a question mark but that is indeed a question
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jacky actually nvm, it's kinda impossible to avoid mentioning URLs
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[snarfed] “web site”
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[tantek] jacky, NYT term for this is "web address"
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jacky oh duh lol
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[tantek] which makes as a parallel to "email address"
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jacky oh hmm
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[tantek] and your "address" as a form / part of your identity is well established in common parlance
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jacky > Signing up for $SERVICE is done in a more novel way - by using your website! By leveraging Web sign-in, your website becomes your account. Think of it as your digital passport to services and places on the Web.
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jacky that's what I'll go with
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[tantek] which is why the web sign-in dfn uses it 🙂
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[scojjac] I thought Twitter Spaces was a bigger deal than Super Follows - kind of beating Facebook to the punch on copying Clubhouse.Wasn’t expecting that
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jacky [scojjac]: lol right
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[tantek] for some reason Super Follow made me think of Super Poke
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aaronpk what is Super Poke?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Super Poke" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Super Poke is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[cleverdevil] I still don't fully grasp Clubhouse. I'm on it, but it just seems like the shitty improv version of podcasts.
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[scojjac] An excellent Hawaiian raw fish dish
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[cleverdevil] Oh, well done.
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aaronpk a lot of what i've seen on clubhouse definitely is basically live taping of podcasts
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aaronpk i've also seen people run Q&A shows on it which is a bit more interesting to me
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[tantek] aaronpk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperPoke! "one of Facebook's most popular applications in terms of monthly active users."
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aaronpk oh wow it's been a long time since i've heard "facebook application"
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[tantek] it was one of the examples always brought up during the "Open Stack" discussions as "how would you do this so it could work on any social network"
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[tantek] what is the open stack
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Loqi [tantek]: I don't mean to be a bother, but can you take this conversation to #indieweb-dev?
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Loqi marchitecture is a term for architecture-like diagrams that contain lots of jargon, buzzwords, or marketing phrases for sales or political reasons yet make little actual sense, especially if you look at the apparent or implied relationships therein https://indieweb.org/open_stack
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aaronpk 😂
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[tantek] lolol ooops
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[tantek] keeps getting hoisted
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sknebel !march
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[tantek] dang: " shutting down SuperPoke! Pets after its players had invested an estimated $650 million[5] of money in virtual goods that, with the shutdown of the app, would now expire worthless"
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Kaja It's March 362, 2020 (UTC)
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[KevinMarks] google bought Slide for about 1/3 of that
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[KevinMarks] Caro beat you to it https://twitter.com/caro/status/1365005116038803456
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@caro Twitter "Super Follow" reminds me of when there was an early third-party Facebook app called "SuperPoke" (twitter.com/_/status/1365005116038803456)
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jacky [cleverdevil]: tbh a lot of people feel that way as well. Outside of that, it's like the weekly phone call with friends that you might have
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, to be fair, its early, and it is clear that they're experimenting.
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jacky yeah
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[cleverdevil] They've certainly got the hype part down.
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jacky without fail
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jacky easy when you have access to celebrities
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aaronpk there's also Stereo which is in a similar vein but taking a different approach
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jacky writes down to check out
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aaronpk much more based around the idea of shows than conversations
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aaronpk but on Stereo listeners can record a short message and send it in to the hosts, then they can play the recording back on air
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[cleverdevil] A lot of folks are trying to "disrupt" podcasting, which frankly is one of the only parts of the modern web that is still functioning as an open ecosystem.
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aaronpk the one thing that doesn't need disruption!
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[cleverdevil] Bingo.
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[cleverdevil] Can we disrupt away Bitcoin please? 😉
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aaronpk 🔥
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aaronpk i'm all in favor of experimenting with different formats and ways of producing content, but the openness of podcasting is super important and we have to keep it!
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[cleverdevil] Indeed.
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[cleverdevil] It would be nice if there was some sort of standards body or working group dedicated to evolving podcasting as an open ecosystem.
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jacky ha right?
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jacky as far as the industry's concerned, that seems to be Apple, tbh
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gRegorLove Yeah, was bummed when Spotify started doing exclusive podcasts
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[cleverdevil] Apple isn't really evolving anything, though. They're just not touching it, which is about as good as you can expect them to do.
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[cleverdevil] If anything, I see there being a massive risk with Apple finally waking up and realizing that they control the podcasting ecosystem, and trying to turn it into a walled garden like the rest of their platform.
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aaronpk they added seasons
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[cleverdevil] Oh? I had no idea.
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aaronpk couple years ago now https://blog.supertop.co/post/161784366027/the-new-itunes-podcast-rss-tags
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jacky yeah and in a way, they _do_ have a huge control over it
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jacky by introducing platform-specific things like ^ without making it generic (granted, XML allows for extensible schema) or even first proposing it to be part of the default flow
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Loqi jacky, alex11: we try to keep jargon out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?