#indieweb 2021-03-17

2021-03-17 UTC
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[KevinMarks] Substack << Jude Ellison Sady Doyle on substack funding transphobia https://doyles.substack.com/p/in-queers-we-trust-all-others-pay
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Loqi ok, I added "Jude Ellison Sady Doyle on substack funding transphobia https://doyles.substack.com/p/in-queers-we-trust-all-others-pay" to the "See Also" section of /substack https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74905&oldid=73599
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[tantek] Is the "interesting-ness" problem worth defining? I feel like I've heard this described before but never given a specific name (that stuck) https://twitter.com/ShaanVP/status/1371972331095126019
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@ShaanVP Content creators are happy. But retention doesn't improve. Why not? You have a bad case of The Interesting-ness Problem. When a user opens an app (IG, youtube, TikTok) they need juicy content within 7 seconds (or they bounce) This is the "Interesting-ness" problem. (twitter.com/_/status/1371972331095126019)
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[tantek] maybe also called the "cold start" problem
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[tantek] Could be applicable to any/all Social Readers for example
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aaronpk what is onboarding?
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aaronpk what is onboarding?
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Loqi Onboarding refers to the first experience a user has when first installing, logging into, configuring, and using a new site or application https://indieweb.org/onboarding
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aaronpk similar
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[tantek] that's part of it
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[tantek] or rather I feel like that's the first part of it
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[tantek] onboarding IMO is the process of installing, the app, "setting it up" etc.
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[tantek] the "cold start" / "Interesting-ness" problem is what happens *right after that*
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aaronpk hm yeah
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[tantek] the "empty screen" problem
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[tantek] (lol can you imagine that "problem" with a new email client though? 😂)
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aaronpk i mean
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aaronpk check out the hey.com onboarding
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aaronpk or whatever we want to call it
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[scojjac] Might be worth defining because it does keep coming up in the context of silos. It’s only a problem because silos need eyeballs and engagement for advertisement and data collection.
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aaronpk actually now that you mention that, hey.com's is more like part of their onboarding
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aaronpk dropbox does this too, where they put some files in your dropbox folder when you first sign up so it isn't entirely empty, but the files are like little tutorials
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[KevinMarks] i covered that a bit in my twitter rant too - where they force you to follow famous people on sign up so there is something in your feed
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jacky oooh actually that's good to know re: initial files
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[schmarty] wow substack--
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Loqi substack has -1 karma over the last year
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[KevinMarks] substack << I’ll be moving this newsletter away from Substack soon and closing my account https://newsletter.danhon.com/archive/s09e08-wear-a-mask-itll-change-your-life/
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Loqi ok, I added "I’ll be moving this newsletter away from Substack soon and closing my account https://newsletter.danhon.com/archive/s09e08-wear-a-mask-itll-change-your-life/" to the "See Also" section of /substack https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74907&oldid=74905
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[KevinMarks] do we have a good integration for emailing out new posts to a mailing list? Feels like a WebSub adjacent thing, but I am seeing a lot fo people wanting out of substack at the moment
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[tantek] we have a few examples but nothing I'd call "good integration": https://indieweb.org/email#IndieWeb_Examples