#indieweb 2021-05-15
2021-05-15 UTC
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[fluffy] I have some scattered feed reader brainstorming blog posts that I should add to /reader#Brainstorming
# [fluffy] http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/?tag=subl are the ones I can find offhand.
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tomlarkworthy !tell chrisaldrich you can login to https://observablehq.com/@endpointservices/storage with IndieAuth, but you need your observable profile (e.g. https://observablehq.com/@tomlarkworthy) backlinked to your homepage for you to do admin actions on cloud storage. I am not part of Observable so you need to use its traditional approach to get an account on the Observable platform. I have created a login system in 'userspace' and used relmeauth to
# tomlarkworthy connect to Observable's silo.
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[chrisaldrich] thanks tomlarkworthy, that's the piece of context I had been missing.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tomlarkworthy left you a message 28 minutes ago: you can login to https://observablehq.com/@endpointservices/storage with IndieAuth, but you need your observable profile (e.g. https://observablehq.com/@tomlarkworthy) backlinked to your homepage for you to do admin actions on cloud storage. I am not part of Observable so you need to use its traditional approach to get an account on the Observable platform. I have created a login system in 'userspace' and used relmeauth to
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[KevinMarks] Social graph problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/we-found-joe-bidens-secret-venmo
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# [dianoetic_net] True name on the Internet is overrated imo
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# [KevinMarks] That quote from Stamos at the end is dodgy
# [dianoetic_net] How so?
# [KevinMarks] The implication that Facebook is using the graph only for good, but that other people gathering graphs are always malicious.
# [dianoetic_net] Ah, you misspelled "biased" 😆
# [dianoetic_net] Oh, us? We're just trying to help you find your friends!
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# [chrisaldrich] That same sort of apologist argument for corporate social silos ("but _we_ mean well" ) is underlined in the essay Kevin highlighted a week or so back: https://librarianshipwreck.wordpress.com/2021/04/28/they-meant-well-or-why-it-matters-who-gets-to-be-seen-as-a-tech-critic/
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# [KevinMarks] Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but it seems like an implied defence of the biggest roach motel.
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# [chrisaldrich] Stamos doesn't mention Facebook, but as the former Facebook chief security officer, he's providing an implied defense of Facebook (and most of big tech in general) while simultaneously throwing a firebomb in the direction of Strava with implications relating to fear, uncertainty, and doubt about national security for an American audience). It's all just being done with a wink and a nod and requires more context and background which isn't in
# [chrisaldrich] that graph.
# [chrisaldrich] Some of this is also being done in light of congressional testimony within the last two weeks (see the librarianshipwreck article above) which has serious implications for government oversight of social media. Stamos' comment underlines fears for national security >>> social media regulation for the unstudied congressmen/senators/president he's subtly lobbying here.
# [chrisaldrich] Not mentioned there is the same sort of massive data collection done by foreign governments in an attempt to out operatives/spies. That statement is talking about not sharing data with strangers, but the bigger target might be a company like Facebook itself which could employ a foreign national with access to its database for custom queries about potential spies and targets.
# [chrisaldrich] If you take the argument a tad further, if it's not okay for strangers to have that data, why should Facebook or other companies? What steps are they taking to prevent it at the next level up?
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# [chrisaldrich] And to circle it back around 😉, a future president might ask themselves, "Would I post this data publicly on my personal website instead of this social app?"
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# [chrisaldrich] Webmentions session about to begin for those interested: https://events.indieweb.org/2021/05/webmentions-beyond-webmention-io-zG4JpHhZShVA
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# [Ana_Rodrigues] I will join in an hour :)
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# [KevinMarks] "stop calling projects webmention.*"
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# [KevinMarks] webmention is a very good name, so it becomes an attractor
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# [Ana_Rodrigues] jamietanna thanks for your article (the social reader one). We talked about it lots in our HWC London last Wednesday and I learned quite a few things!
# [Ana_Rodrigues] jamietanna++
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jamietanna[m] Thanks [Ana_Rodrigues] glad it made some good conversations - is there anything interesting to share back / for me to read on i.e. an Etherpad?
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[schmarty] the A List Apart article chrisaldrich was referring to: https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet/
# [schmarty] [Ana_Rodrigues]’s smashing magazine piece: https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2020/08/autonomy-online-indieweb/
# [schmarty] i have to scoot. thanks all for a fun webmentions popup! i am now chasing down rabbit holes for how to use silly static site tricks to make single-tenant webmention.io sites as like a netlify site 😂
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# maxwelljoslyn maxwelljoslyn
# [KevinMarks] ed balls
# maxwelljoslyn ed balls indeed
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gRegorLove jacky++ great session
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# [Ana_Rodrigues] Thank you all! It will be light years until I can even think about hosting my own webmentions so this was insightful. I was feeling a bit shy but I think one day I’d like to chat a bit more about receiving especially on blocklists / muted people and safety.
# [Ana_Rodrigues] jacky++ thanks for hosting!!
# gRegorLove I'm interested in those topics too
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jacky posted this in #indieweb-dev but i've opened https://github.com/indieweb/webmention-ecosystem/issues/1 + https://github.com/indieweb/webmention-ecosystem/issues/2 to begin chatting about how to do retrieval and normalizing the response of that
# [Ana_Rodrigues] Oh cool!
# [Ana_Rodrigues] The other I received a webmention from an account I have muted everywhere I can (but I can’t block for reasons) and oof
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barnabywalters I’m interested in webmention abuse and spam prevention too, especially all the community web-of-trust possibilities
# barnabywalters e.g. being able to subscribe to the block lists of trusted friends, and use those to automatically filter out spam and blocked content
# barnabywalters the biggest hurdle I can think of there is potential dangers of publishing a list of people you don’t like
# gRegorLove Yeah I think the see also on /blocklist has some criticism of the subscribable list thing
# barnabywalters on the indieweb, you can give yourself a blue tick
# gRegorLove orrr, a green one :)
# barnabywalters yep, you even get to choose the colour!
# gRegorLove indieweb: any type of verified badge you want
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# [KevinMarks] You can give yourself a green tick on mastodon with rel=me
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# [dianoetic_net] I like validation
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# [chrisaldrich] For [dianoetic_net] and anyone else that needs verification: https://boffosocko.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/IWC-Verified.png