#indieweb 2021-09-09

2021-09-09 UTC
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[KevinMarks] Some authentic 1990s design here https://web.archive.org/web/19970605021938/http://www.mmcorp.com/mmcsite/company/personal.html
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[KevinMarks] Especially binky https://web.archive.org/web/19970605044445/http://www.mmcorp.com/~binky/index.html
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieAuth Popup – August 2021" https://david.shanske.com/2021/09/08/indieauth-popup-august-2021/
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[chrisaldrich] This seems sort of familiar, anyone have experience with it? https://www.mysilio.com/
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[tantek] nice pun with mycelium
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[tantek] and silo
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[snarfed] submitting the contest entry soon, npd (etc) lmk if you have any final suggestions. I revised the end of the "rel-me links" section to describe bidirectional linking etc a bit better, and other tweaks throughout. https://snarfed.org/bluesky-satellite-contest-entry
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Bluesky Satellite IndieWeb entry
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[tantek] 👀
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[tantek] snarfed, I'd still avoid the labeling of IndieAuth as a "W3C Standard" as that misrepresents the status of a W3C Note.
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[tantek] s/W3C standard (Note)/W3C Working Group Note
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[snarfed] ok, will do
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[snarfed] I get that that's technically correct, but I don't know that it conveys the appropriate meaning to someone who doesn't know those details well
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[snarfed] people know what standards are; they don't know what W3C Notes are
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[snarfed] and realistically, W3C notes are standards
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[tantek] they're not though, explicitly so in their status section
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[snarfed] oh. then yeah the differences are even more confusing
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[tantek] I mean "It is inappropriate to cite this document as other than work in progress." is pretty clear
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[snarfed] then I don't know what to call it that outsiders will understand. guess Note is fine then
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[snarfed] ah Note is a level below TR?
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[snarfed] apologies, I thought IndieAuth and eg Webmention were the same level
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[tantek] TR includes things of all levels. TR just means "Technical Report"
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[tantek] oh no they're not
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[snarfed] oh i thought TR was Recommendation
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[tantek] nope, WD, CR, PR, REC, and Notes are all under /TR
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[snarfed] ok
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[snarfed] so webmention and micropub are RECs. is it appropriate to call them standards? (sincere question)
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[tantek] yeah I agree the nomenclature is confusing, even for technologists outside of standards work 😕
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[snarfed] eh you need nomenclature and levels. totally ok. I just don't know them 😁
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[tantek] Yes I would feel comfortable with calling RECs "standards", I think that is an accurate non-jargon representation of their status
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[tantek] as a catchall, I've tended to call things "proposals" that are short of a standard
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[tantek] though that can also be undervaluing
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[snarfed] ok!
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[tantek] I feel "W3C Working Group Note" conveys that some level of openness and authority was used in the process, but not giving any misrepresentation of "standards" status
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[tantek] and if they really care they can click through and read the details in the Status section
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[snarfed] yup
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[snarfed] done!
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[tantek] btw regarding the discussion we had on HWC about social media and dealing with folks's less than professional behavior there: https://twitter.com/plinz/status/1433262733080743942
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@Plinz The supply of aggressive stupidity on social media is unlimited; trying to correct it is as futile as sweeping sand in the desert. Be deliberate: every pointless interaction is a missed opportunity for experiencing insight, love or beauty elsewhere. Don't fight what you can mute. (twitter.com/_/status/1433262733080743942)
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[snarfed] obligatory: https://xkcd.com/386/
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Loqi [XKCD] Duty Calls https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
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[snarfed] ^ an indiecat
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aaronpk 😻
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aaronpk What's really confusing is that IETF "standards" are RFCs -- "request for comments" -- which technically sounds like the opposite of a standard
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npd[m] isn't that lovely, though? I like it both as a historical quirk and as a reminder that no matter how stable your spec, we just hope it'll get followed voluntarily
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[tantek] "request for comment" also sounds like the implication of having a discoverable Webmention endpoint on your posts 🙂
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[tantek] waits for Loqi 👀
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[tantek] social media << Criticism: 2017-08-15 MIT Technology Review: [https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/08/15/149854/eliminating-the-human/ Eliminating the Human] <blockquote>This is social interaction that isn’t really social. While Facebook and others frequently claim to offer connection, and do offer the appearance of it, the fact is a lot of social media is a ''simulation'' of real connection.</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: 2017-08-15 MIT Technology Review: [https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/08/15/149854/eliminating-the-human/ Eliminating the Human] <blockquote>This is social interaction that isn’t really social. While Facebook and others frequently claim to offer connection, and do offer the appearance of it, the fact is a lot of social media is a ''simulation'' of real connection.</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /social_media https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=76875&oldid=76829
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[tantek] ^ note the author 🗣
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[tantek] social media << ^ longer original posted by author on his own website: 2017-05-15 [https://davidbyrne.com/journal/eliminating-the-human ELIMINATING THE HUMAN] <blockquote>Social media is not really social—ticking boxes and having followers and getting feeds is NOT being social—it's a screen simulation of human interaction.</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "^ longer original posted by author on his own website: 2017-05-15 [https://davidbyrne.com/journal/eliminating-the-human ELIMINATING THE HUMAN] <blockquote>Social media is not really social—ticking boxes and having followers and getting feeds is NOT being social—it's a screen simulation of human interaction.</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /social_media https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=76877&oldid=76875
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astralbijection[ https://astrid.tech/projects/grad-cap/ alright, i've added "under construction" banners to some of my project pages
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[KevinMarks] And you may tell yourself
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[KevinMarks] This is not my beautiful homepage!
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[KevinMarks] And you may ask yourself
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[KevinMarks] And you may say yourself
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[KevinMarks] Am I right? Am I wrong?
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[KevinMarks] "My God! What have I done?"
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[KevinMarks] Letting the days go by
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[KevinMarks] Same as it ever was
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[KevinMarks] And here the twitter comes
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[KevinMarks] Here comes the twitter
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jeremycherfas [KevinMarks]++
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Loqi [KevinMarks] has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (42 in all channels)
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voxpelli Hi indiewebbers 👋
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capjamesg[d] Hi voxpelli! 👋
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GWG voxpelli: Hi
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capjamesg[d] aaronpk thanks again for your search suggestions!
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aaronpk 👍
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capjamesg[d] I made a few changes to the crawler but they will not be live for a few days.
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capjamesg[d] I have to finish the migration from SQLite to elastic search.
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capjamesg[d] There are about 20k docs not yet available because they have been indexed with the old crawler.
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capjamesg[d] Just have to import them.
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capjamesg[d] I tested and your meta descriptions will be fine, and should be even in rare cases where none are directly provided.
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capjamesg[d] And any feed whose content is two directories away from the homepage and shows a list of h-entries from at least three weeks ago will be flagged as no index, follow.
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