#indieweb 2021-11-24

2021-11-24 UTC
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[chrisaldrich]
Some Googling about, some slapdash, baling wire, and duct tape and we've got something mostly automated to handwrite a /note post on paper with pen, take a photo which autosaves to Google Drive that does OCR into Google Docs which is picked up by IFTTT that does a webhook to Micropub draft post to my website which then auto syndicates to Twitter, Mastodon, and Micropub. https://boffosocko.com/2021/11/23/55798697/ 🎉
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Loqi
[Chris Aldrich] Posting to my website with POSSE to Twitter using a fountain pen on paper to photo with OCR to webhook with Micropub. #IndieWeb #Micropub #FTW
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[chrisaldrich]
The most manual part of the process that happened was going in and manually adding the photo to underline the process, something which I don't plan on doing regularly.
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[chrisaldrich]
IndieWebCommunity++ for building blocks that allowed me, with some minor prior experience and almost no real code, to wire this up in about 20 minutes.
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Loqi
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[chrisaldrich]
Poor community is dramatically under-karma'd...
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[chrisaldrich]
Does physically writing out your notes and articles on paper redefine a whole new level of /manual_until_it_hurts?
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[KevinMarks]
That is a neat bit of code chaining
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[chrisaldrich]
How do I indicate the syndication link to the paper copy? It's a nice way to have a paper copy of your website for archival purposes. Now I'm wondering how to bind up a pack of cards to make a book at the end of the year...
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[chrisaldrich]
Entertainingly, the OCR was so seriously crisp in the process that it picked up the letters "Dia" of Diamond printed in tiny lettering on the cap of my pen and I had to edit it out.
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[tantek]
[chrisaldrich]++ amazing!
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Loqi
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vikanezrimaya
paper website
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vikanezrimaya
this feels like a new level of retro
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vikanezrimaya
* level of an amalgamation between retro, * retro and modern tech
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[tantek]
On two separate occasions where network access was unavailable or unreliable I talked folks into using sticky notes to do analog Twitter instead: https://twitter.com/analogger
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[tantek]
In March of 2009 the cell network was overloaded in Austin during SXSW, which is what provided the inspiration to invent analog Twitter. That and a supply of carbon-copy post-its that I discovered at an office supplies surplus warehouse.
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sknebel
[chrisaldrich]: labelprinter that prints a label with the syndication urls to tape to the paper?
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[jeremycherfas]
Transparent acetate overlay that fits the cards, with the syndication urls printed on it.
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capjamesg[d]
community++
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Loqi
community has 1 karma over the last year
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capjamesg[d]
[chrisaldrich]++
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Loqi
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capjamesg[d]
Amazing work!
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capjamesg[d]
This should be documented somewhere on the wiki, although I cannot think where would be most appropriate.
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capjamesg[d]
/nostalgia to convey the retro feel. Maybe /blogging more broadly?
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Zegnat
Now I imagine a circular self blogging thing with a camera+OCR aimed at a thermal printer that prints from a post feed :D
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petermolnar
make it an art project that is aimed to visualize deterioration over centuries and raise some money?
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sknebel
blog2stonetablet API?
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petermolnar
So yes, bridgy publish to metallic disc, please.
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Zegnat
petermolnar: that is an interesting article! I knew about the disks that the Long Now foundation is working with, but never seen anyone else use it for a project like this!
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Zegnat
Do we know if Greg Mod got the disks made? Where they are?
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GWG
Other than [tantek], who I think posts Swawm checkins after the fact with a noted time, does anyone post checkins, photos, or similar types of post highlighting the time of checkin or time photo was taken, as opposed to the published time?
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petermolnar
I used to display the EXIF date of photos
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petermolnar
but came to the conclusion that that too much data displayed
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Zegnat
s/Greg/Craig/
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GWG
petermolnar: I am telling a story, so I want to slot my photos in the narrative when they were taken
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[chrisbergr]
My swarm checkins are dated to the time of the checkin, Everything else has, apart from the PESOS flickr images, the published time. At flickr this is unfortunately not displayed, but only a time from the EXIF information.
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[jeremycherfas]
Craig Mod is on one of his long walks across Japan so probably will not be able to answer.
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GWG
I'm thinking of building a feature to create a post that shows the creation time of a photo over the published date of the post.
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[KevinMarks]
my usage has changed - it used to be dodgeball-like to help nearby friends see where I was, but now I tend to to do it as I leave and add photos. That's mainly because I no longer live in the right kind of place for dodgeball to work
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GWG
[KevinMarks]: I find that uploading pictures when I am taking them is not always convenient...takes me too much out of the moment
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[tantek]
GWG, agreed, takes too much time out of the moment is a good reason to post about things after the fact
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GWG
[tantek]: But how might that change how it displays?
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GWG
I'm thinking specifically about photos and checkins, not other sorts of content
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[tantek]
GWG, I try to post checkins at least on the same day that they occurred, but even then sometimes forget until the next day. In any kind of archive view I'd prefer for them to be shown at the stated datetime of checkin rather than the published time.
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[tantek]
Sometimes it's a mix, where I'll make a photo post days / weeks after the fact (when the photo was taken), and in that case I'll usually hashdatetag it
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[tantek]
with the hopes that I'll get around to including those by tag lookup into the hashdatetagged day as well as the published date of the post
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GWG
Do you have an example of hashdatetagging?
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[grantcodes]
I do that of showing the creation time of photos by default via photo.postrchild.com (though currently broken)
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[grantcodes]
Off the top my head there are different mf2 properties for things like created and updated dates which I use. Normally I make a gallery which is dated for the day it was published, and each photo post shows it's taken date.
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[tantek]1
GWG, my most recent photo post: https://tantek.com/2021/221/t1/finished-rodeovalley-trailrace — I'm using ordinal dates for my hashdatetagging: #2021_219
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] Finished #RodeoValley 30k #trailRace in 5:10:43 on Saturday. In the photo I’m massaging a midsection cramp while power hiking uphill, and grinning because I knew I was almost at the top of the last big climb of the course. First race post lockdown... https://fastly.4sqi.net/img/general/width960/476_9_gqB6h_tK8iyjBEb886XpboOcF8bsEgT_wl76vckqI.jpg
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[tantek]1
GWG, I'm also considering perhaps different rules for inclusion for a photo archive vs a general post archive, I have to think about it some more
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[tantek]1
for now I'm fairly certain I want to include such hashdatetagged posts in *both* archives of the published date and the hashdate
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[tantek]1
though for checkin posts (assuming eventual backfill integration into my own site), I would include those *only* on the annotated "Post" date as noted in the caption on the checkin, and not include them on their "published date" archive
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[tantek]1
however I may solve that at backfill import time, that is, as part of that import, have it parse out the "Post" date from the caption, and use that as the "published date" for the checkin posts on my own site
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[tantek]1
if so, I'm not sure what I'd do with the Swarm "published date" in those instances. I might save it as the post's "creation" date, which would result in the odd situation of the published date being *before* the created date.
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GWG
Makes me want to do additional date options sooner rather than later
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[chrisaldrich]1
Swarm has a functionality that will ask you minutes to hours later if you want to add a checkin to your timeline after-the-fact, presumably based on GPS data, so you can check in with a reasonable date/timestamp and add photos. If they guessed the wrong location, they give the option to choose from other nearby venues.
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[chrisaldrich]1
They don't always do this for me, but very frequently they'll pop up greyed out reminders in my timeline to add later even for locations that I only made short <5 minute stops at.
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GWG
I someday want to remove Swarm from my apps
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GWG
Even if I still use their data
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[tantek]1
[chrisaldrich] because I only allow Swarm location access while using the app, I don't get those kind of background after-the-fact check-in suggestions
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capjamesg[d]
Has anyone built their own digital garden / wiki solution?
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capjamesg[d]
What is a digital garden?
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Loqi
A commonplace book (or commonplaces) are a way to compile and store knowledge, usually by writing information into books, notebooks, card catalogs, or in more modern settings on one's own website https://indieweb.org/digital_garden
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[tantek]1
capjamesg[d], going to suggest #indieweb-dev for the "built" ... "solution" type of questions 🙂
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[chrisaldrich]1
What is handwriting?
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Loqi
Handwriting is a great, tactile, time-tested method for creating content, so who wouldn't want to use it as part of a user interface for posting to one's personal website? https://indieweb.org/handwriting
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[chrisaldrich]1
Additions, modifications, ideas welcome ^^, particularly alternate redirect page names one may look for on such a topic.
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capjamesg[d]
I didn’t want to disrupt the flow [tantek]. Will do.
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[tantek]1
can relate 🙂
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capjamesg[d]
What is OCR?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "OCR" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "OCR is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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capjamesg[d]
OCR is the way in which technology can recognize individual characters and words that are written out or present in a physical document.
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capjamesg[d]
Just added that to prevent the OCR stub link.
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capjamesg[d]
What is Optical Character Recognition?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Optical Character Recognition" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Optical Character Recognition is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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capjamesg[d]
Optical Character Recognition is OCR.
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capjamesg[d]
I’ll add IndieWeb relevance tomorrow re: exploration of written sites.
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[tantek]1
capjamesg[d], you have to explicitly say /OCR on the "is" creation statements in order to create redirects
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[tantek]1
otherwise it makes a one word definition stub page
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[tantek]1
what is Optical Character Recognition
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Loqi
Optical Character Recognition is OCR https://indieweb.org/Optical_Character_Recognition
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capjamesg[d]
Apologies.
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[tantek]1
well it's a common enough "error" that I think aaronpk may be considering fixing it
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aaronpk
no it should match without / but i think maybe the "." tripped it up
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[tantek]1
like, if the thing following " is " is a single word, or perhaps if the thing following " is " is *precisely* the name of an existing wiki page
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aaronpk
that is how it works
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[tantek]1
oh cool! when did that get fixed? and yes a trimpunct on the end would be good
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aaronpk
dunno, long time ago
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[KevinMarks]
is trimpunct a function in German?
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[KevinMarks]
I suppose that would be TrimPunkt
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