#indieweb 2021-12-08

2021-12-08 UTC
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Owning my Hashtags" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2021/12/08/owning-hashtags/
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capjamesg
jamietanna++
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Loqi
jamietanna has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (16 in all channels)
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capjamesg
What is a tag?
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Loqi
tags or tagging refers to categorizing or labeling content, your own or others (tag-reply), with words, phrases, names, or other information, optionally linked to specific people, events, locations, such as the practice of tagging posts being about certain people (person-tag), like tagging people or other items where (area-tag) they're depicted in a photo https://indieweb.org/tag
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capjamesg
How does one differentiate a tag and a category?
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capjamesg
I know that semantically they are different but I wondered why people use tags vs/in addition to categories.
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capjamesg
And vice versa.
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jamietanna
I use `tags` as that's the Hugo name for them, but they're exposed as `category` for MF2
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[KevinMarks]
Historically `category` was defined in advance and exclusive, `tags` were defined on the fly and plural. http://epeus.blogspot.com/2005/10/tags-and-cognitive-load.html
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[KevinMarks]
The older RSS/Wordpress category model was a Dewey-like hierarchy, and tags are flat.
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petermolnar
what is taxonomy?
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Loqi
taxonomy is an explicitly curated, often designed, set of categories or labels, often hierarchical as well, in contrast to the folksonomy of tags and hashtags https://indieweb.org/taxonomy
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[manton]
When I was adding categories to Micro.blog, I thought about all the years I was blogging in WordPress and entering tags that just weren’t used much. I decided to simplify things in Micro.blog so that it only has categories. Makes for a much simpler and obvious UI. Your milage may vary, etc.
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petermolnar
https://kylechayka.substack.com/p/essay-digital-nostalgia - "TikTok is more oriented toward consumption than creation. Passively watching the For You page, you don’t even have to choose who to follow." - I think there were many, many books warning us about this future.
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[tantek]
What is explore
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "explore" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "explore is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]
What is for you
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "for you" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "for you is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]
Hmm I thought we had at least one of those
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petermolnar
what is forced down on your throat
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "forced down on your throat" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "forced down on your throat is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[KevinMarks]
I feel like tagging makes more natural sense for longform blogposts and photos than notes. Part of the thing with tags is not knowing which ones end up used much
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[tantek]
you had me at "tagging makes more natural sense" 🙂
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aaronpk
i remember having categories on my blog in like 2008
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aaronpk
i don't think categories survived even the first rewrite of my site
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tracydurnell[d]
I use categories for big picture ("where would I shelve this in the library") and tags for more specifics
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tracydurnell[d]
categories probably more useful for someone else looking at my site, tags probably more useful for me as search terms
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[aciccarello]
I've always thought of categories as similar to post kinds
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GWG
I use categories similar to Tracy.
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capjamesg[d]
I wonder if I should add tags to my site.
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capjamesg[d]
I liked your description tracydurnell[d].
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capjamesg[d]
I do sometimes wonder when a tag should be used though.
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capjamesg[d]
Categories are quite easy for me to use because they are in my mind clearly defined.
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capjamesg[d]
I choose 1-2 and that limit keeps me in check.
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capjamesg[d]
I guess the question is: how many tags should one set?
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[tantek]
As many as seem relevant to rediscovering the content
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tracydurnell[d]
I'll often use four or five tags, occasionally more, depending what I'm saving and if there are multiple contexts I can see myself wanting to refer back to it for
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