#indieweb 2022-02-18
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jan6 anyone else can also yell if they want to steal either of the ideas, or want their name stylized, or something (fun fact: the amber one is inspired by the amber CRTs, as good as i managed to get it )
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# [Zeina] Saw earlier talk of static site generators; Following, because recently I've been thinking about how difficult they are (or can be) for people with little development experience
# [Zeina] I'd love to recommend them to more people I know (esp artist friends) but I'm cautious because I had a harder time than I anticipated just wrangling my site
# [Zeina] What SSGs do you folks use? I used Hugo
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[aciccarello] I've seen some platforms trying to abstract the technical stuff away. I'm trying to remember the name
# [snarfed]1 GitHub Pages, to some degree
# [snarfed]1 micro.blog, to a much greater degree
# [Zeina] micro.blog looks really cool. Cloudflare Pages told me a post referral came from there so I went poking around
# [snarfed]1 [Zeina] more importantly though, if you want to help non-technical friends make web sites, specific plumbing (eg SSG) may not be the most important criteria
# [snarfed]1 https://indieweb.org/web_hosting has more details
# [Zeina] Does GitHub Pages rely on Jekyll (or another SSG) or can you put together a website with little wrangling?
# [aciccarello] This might be the service I was thinking of https://cloudcannon.com/
# [Zeina] Thank you 🙂
# [Zeina] One of my artist friends did end up using Squarespace
# [Zeina] I'll check out cloudcannon too, thank you
# [aciccarello] I've never used cloudcannon but it seems interesting.
# [aciccarello] I set my dad's business up with squarespace because it seemed like the most accessible to them.
# [Zeina] Same for my friend. They have little interest + experience in programming, so I didn't want to overwhelm them. Squarespace was the best option
# [Zeina] What they cared about the most was having a professional presence on the internet for their art, and that goal was achieved 🙂
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[KevinMarks] you can put any html in github pages, we ahve a minimal starter site https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site
# [Zeina] Thanks, that looks really cool too! Maybe for friends who are new to dev stuff
# [KevinMarks] there's also https://forestry.io/ for generating Hugo etc from a gui, but that's a product you need to setup for them
# [Zeina] I guess setup Hugo/etc first -> use forestry.io to manage content?
# [Adnan_Onart] ↩️ very nice. This can be printed and framed. It look good.
# [KevinMarks] I haven't tried it, but it looks interesting
# [KevinMarks] Hugo is in the powerful but tricky camp for me, though I am starting to feel the hurt from manual until it hurts on my site
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# [Adnan_Onart] ↩️ I organized my online photography exhibit for a cultural association using SquareSpace. It was extremely easy to do and they have a good support team. https://www.againstthedark.org/
# [aciccarello] what is static site cms?
# [aciccarello] That list seems pretty out of date. There have been quite a few services over the last couple years 🤔
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# [tw2113_Slack_] static schmatic, give me a database and let me get things done
# [Zeina] I've seen people talking about 11ty/eleventy, apparently the templating is nicer (not as painful as Go)
# [aciccarello] I use 11ty for my site. It supports multiple templating languages which is nice
# [aciccarello] I migrated from Jekyll
# [Zeina] I _think_ you have to figure out basic out of the box function like SEO on your own though (11ty modules?)
# [Zeina] What do you think of it?
# [aciccarello] Totally, it's a lot more "build your own" which was something I wanted but certainly isn't for everyone.
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[davidmead] I use 11ty/eleventy for my site too. Very simple to create templates. Not sure what SEO you’d have to figure out with a module though.
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[chrisaldrich] So much interesting user interface and clever design in this project. I'm sort of wanting to abstract it for visualizing a digital garden... https://www.denizcemonduygu.com/philo/
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Murray[d] In terms of static CMS, there's also Netlify CMS https://www.netlifycms.org/, which has the added bonus of working on Netlify's free hosting (plus anywhere else, but you can be sure of that support lasting for a while :D) and has a pretty quick installation setup. You still need a static site generator under the hood, but they have templates for Hugo, 11ty, NextJS, and quite a few others
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Posting Pages With Micropub" https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2022/02/posting-pages-with-micropub/
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[jgmac1106] I am liking micro.blog for my more professional stuff where I don't have the tinker nor can afford the down time. I do a bit of a review of it as an "Othello" option for folks in the review above
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] ^ a little photo-credit on that image please? https://flickr.com/photos/tantek/7727729324/in/photolist-cLSCGu-E1Gpb (like linking to the original on Flickr and noting it's by me, per the CC-by-nc license) Thanks!
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# [tw2113_Slack_] is that from Mullenweg?
# [KevinMarks] Thread (scroll up) https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1494703511916974085
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@kevinmarks @DanHopewell @BradWestness @anildash Rent Seeking Syndication (twitter.com/_/status/1494703511916974085)
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aaronpk interesting to think about how we would do this for indieweb/webmention conversations https://twitter.com/fraying/status/1494734018360668160
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@fraying 1. This is a good idea. 2. This wouldn't be so needed in a healthy community. 3. I sure hope Twitter is collecting data on who keeps starting threads people don't want to be in and then going upstream to moderate those people. https://twitter.com/wongmjane/status/1494728971950247937 (twitter.com/_/status/1494734018360668160)
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# [jgmac1106] yes good tip I forgot I used the upload and not my flickr cc tool..brb
# [jgmac1106] fixed
# [jgmac1106] +1 tantek for catching the misattribution
# [jgmac1106] tantek++
# [jgmac1106] BTW this is the Flickr tool I use for quick attribution. Love it: https://cogdog.github.io/flickr-cc-helper/
# [jgmac1106] I couldn't find it on flickr or the wiki, I found it point to your site but the image or presentation didn't load: https://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/?full#cover
# [jgmac1106] my search term: "my url is indieweb" i tried twice and went to google images. glad to have the attribution now bc good piece of history.
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# jan6 https://redbean.dev/ seems pretty dang great for making easily hostable and easily backup-able static, or mostly-static sites (does allow lua scripting)
# jan6 I only now found out, that it can even do polyglot ssl, on the same port as normal http!
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# andysylvester chrisaldrich - I am coming to the pop-up session Saturday, I am volunteering to help, let me know what I can do
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# Anders Hey all. Is there a microformat for directory listings? For example, Apache, Nginx, Caddy, etc all have a built-in way to present filesystems as simple HTML pages. It would be nice if there was a standard they could adopt to make those listings machine-parseable.
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barnaby Anders: sounds a bit like https://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo, although I’m not familiar with any currently-used tools which parse it
# Anders Sure thing
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