#indieweb 2022-02-19
2022-02-19 UTC
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[tw2113_Slack_] i need to remember the personal library event with [chrisaldrich] tomorrow, see if i can end up attending or if i’d get too enraptured in reading at that time 😄
# e-snail "I missed the personal library popup cuz I was in my personal library"
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[chrisaldrich] The tech side I think is covered andysylvester, but we can always use help with eyeballs in chat and on twitter with new folks who may be having issues, problems, or who may need help. It's hard to host and watch everything simultaneously.
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# [tw2113_Slack_] what e-snail said, except my personal library is usually a local coffee shop
# [tw2113_Slack_] easy to believe, it's been a hell of a 20s
# [tw2113_Slack_] if i was to buy any sort of furniture, it'd be a recliner
# [tw2113_Slack_] softer and more comfy than my office chair or bed
# [tw2113_Slack_] and a bit more reclined than a couch
# [tw2113_Slack_] trying to be potentially move-ready though we're about to renew another year in our current apartment
# [tw2113_Slack_] plus i'll need to save up a bit
# [tw2113_Slack_] and not necessarily the space for one here
# [chrisaldrich] GWG, certainly feel free to start it if you're up and around early. My plan was to try to get things started about 20-30 minutes early if anyone wants to pop in and chat before we officially start.
# [chrisaldrich] Interestingly, I've got the third meeting of a book club just before the pop up.
# [chrisaldrich] We've been using a shared Obsidian Vault for taking notes and interacting. It's been an interesting model for a book club.
# [chrisaldrich] Anyone have any interesting topic ideas for tomorrow? Feel free to scribble them into the etherpad to serve as a model for others if you like.
# [tw2113_Slack_] has where to purchase items ever come up?
# [tw2113_Slack_] for example using indiebound.org to find local shops
# [chrisaldrich] I think it's come up before, though from the perspective of how to sell things from one's own site (and potentially syndicate). It may have been in chat though and thus not logged. Searching the chat logs might turn up some other ideas.
# [chrisaldrich] I know that some have been using services that are not Amazon definitely.
# [tw2113_Slack_] just curious. i've been using my book data for a quick vercel/nextjs app to display recently read books and whatnot. and tonight i added links to indiebound.org permalinks for the books
# [chrisaldrich] https://bookshop.org/ has an affiliate program that helps to support local shops too
# [tw2113_Slack_] just append the ISBN to a permalink to hopefully get the book found there.
# [chrisaldrich] What is ISBN?
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Loqi ISBN or International Standard Book Number is a unique numeric commercial book identifier that began use in 1970 https://indieweb.org/ISBN
# [tw2113_Slack_] i think if i were taking reviews/logging as more serious in terms of trying to promote to others, i'd consider an affiliate
# [tw2113_Slack_] just logging for myself...eh no need for affiliates
# [chrisaldrich] [tw2113_Slack_] you should add your example use case to that page
# [chrisaldrich] I've been thinking off and on about relying more on Open Library in conjunction with my site instead of pushing business to Amazon.
# [tw2113_Slack_] hmm. I wouldn't likely add this nextjs app as an example, but would with my books on apiratelifefor.me since I do the same there
# [tw2113_Slack_] bookmarked the ISBN page to consider adding later
# [chrisaldrich] Rather than pushing for a more traditional build day following tomorrow's pop up, I'm going to suggest that folks interested in building something bookish together show up for the upcoming Create Day: https://events.indieweb.org/2022/03/indieweb-create-day-6noI0mYwJY3S
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# [chrisaldrich] what are switching costs?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "switching costs" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "switching costs is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@mholzschlag Never once can I recall a discussion with any Web colleagues about The ROAM Principles. They are a framework for Internet (and #Web) universality and we need them. We're too fragmented and without unity and discourse, we will lose what's left of the idealism and hope born of Web. (twitter.com/_/status/1494959415899811841)
# Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/mholzschlag/status/1494959415899811841?s=20&t=uTDqEnNF0Hf2zFHRQkKdqw" to the "See Also" section of /principles https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79644&oldid=79224
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[tonz] I wasn’t aware of those ROAM principles. They do make a useful comparison with the EU’s Digital Rights and Principles (pdf in English https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/dae/redirection/document/82703) published last month which form the anchor of the full EU geopolitical positioning w.r.t. to digital and data. (The digital markets act, digital services act, AI regulation, data governance act, data act and open data directive, and GDPR form
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[KevinMarks] Very indieweb post from Cory today https://pluralistic.net/2022/02/19/now-we-are-two/
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# zerok hey :) Sorry, stupid question but was the zoomlink for the personal libraries sessions posted somewhere? :)
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# [schmarty]1 zerok: it's on the event page https://events.indieweb.org/2022/02/personal-libraries-pop-up-session-Wax8N17zQuY0
# zerok arghhh too obvious, thanks :) I just didn't see that big, huge, gigantic "Join" link :D
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jamietanna Sorry folks, not sure I'll be able to make it tonight - or if I do, I'll be dipping in and out. Hope it's a good one!
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# jamietanna[m] Awesome. Lotta life happens stuff at the moment, so will definitely watch recordings when they're ready
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[jgmac1106] wow manton I have never looked at them. what extra data are they carrying?
# [jgmac1106] I am here but in and out, gotta sick kid who missed the first movie theater trip in two years so promised a game of Risk
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# [arush] Goodreads feeds are huge and their markup is nasty enough that you're better off pulling from them as draft so you can clean up the markup before publishing.
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# Smokler Morning everyone
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# Drini "Goodreads will no longer issue new developer keys for our public developer API and and plans to retire the current version of these tools" https://help.goodreads.com/s/article/Why-is-Goodreads-limiting-API-usage
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# [chrisaldrich] Where's the message about the bridge to the "new" tools?! :zany_face:
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# [schmarty]1 ooh good q jacky 😬
# Drini (Assuming you mean Human Computer Interactions by HCI, please share some of those old HCI books, Maggie!)
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# [schmarty]1 got to run, folks. thanks for the great thoughts and discussion so far! looking forward to catching up later! 📚
# zerok[m] [chrisaldrich]: Have you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._(Dorst_novel)? :D
# [tonz] Bryan Alexander’s book club from the past years (about a decade worth) https://bryanalexander.org/book-club/
# [chrisaldrich] zerok[m], I'd heard of it but not read it.
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "URL for viewing by ISBN" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "URL for viewing by ISBN is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# [jgmac1106] gRegor you weren't there I had to take over as DJ
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Audible" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Audible is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# [jgmac1106] ahh I see the hands, thx
# [chrisaldrich] There's an HTML/RSS maximalist crowd?! I wanna join.
# [jgmac1106] yes for just an rss feed, I can follow those, a planet works, we can make a planet now, you are already here Chris
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# Loqi Open Library is an Internet Archive project to create a page for every book, and provide cover images and the ability to borrow or read as many as possible https://indieweb.org/openlibrary
# tmcw for folks interested in the spreadsheet-view-of-books, a good crossover from the future-of-programming club - https://www.geoffreylitt.com/wildcard/
# [jgmac1106] Audible is an Amazon Company with subscription based audible books
# [jgmac1106] I made my spreadsheet, my day is done...https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-gAD8IhQ72pL0OHqy5lbm6qdhGEUPawP1qpPI_azhKI/edit?usp=sharing
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gRegor [jgmac1106], I stubbed that page if you want to add to https://indieweb.org/Audible#How%20to%20export
# [jgmac1106] this is the programming session
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# [jgmac1106] yeah for even likert scale....ban the squishy middle
# Drini I tried to compile a list of that, but got bored pretty quickly :P https://openlibrary.org/collections/tv-people-books
# Maggie Great high-res pic from Bret Victor of his booklist you can zoom in on: http://worrydream.com/Shelf2015/
# Maggie Low-effort effort of publishing a booklist, but hey it worked
# [jgmac1106] genre filtering is a good idea
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# tmcw my problem is that my list of books to read is already way too long, i need less discovery 🤣
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tracydurnell[d] haha true 😉
# Maggie Maybe a detail of having another field in a JSON, but marking some books as "featured" would make it possible to pick ones to feature on personal bookshelves vs. the 900 book list dump
# tracydurnell[d] good idea @Maggie - right now I use Goodreads as a longlist of "to read" and manually make a shortlist of books to read next on a "want to read" list on my site
# tracydurnell[d] so not manual would be great 😉
# Maggie ha, agreed. I end up adding only select books to my public bookshelf both as a way to only mention meaningful books, but also less work with my current rubbish manual process. Being able to add the full lib for discovery/social cross-referencing but also curate a top picks selection is ideal
# [jgmac1106] will turn music off in two minutes
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capjamesg[d] I’m excited to read the Etherpad from this meetup! I have had too many Zoom calls this week so I decided not to join 🙂
# [jgmac1106] I called that 2021 capjames[g]
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# capjamesg[d] [jgmac1106] I know what you mean.
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# [chrisaldrich] good night [tonz] thanks for coming
# zerok[m] Sorry for being so quiet during the call, but I started implementing OPML export for my reading list ;)
# tracydurnell[d] 👏 nice!
# zerok[m] Thank you very much for the great evening. I wonder if the group picture looks close to https://s3.amazonaws.com/bizzabo.users.files/0aRpnT1T6WDavN3uuEUl_Banner%20Website%20-%201920%20x%201080.png :P
# JohnBeales 👍Thanks for a great session. Time to make some 🍕!
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