#indieweb 2022-05-17

2022-05-17 UTC
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[timothy_chambe] “In Un-Web 2.0 you get full control of your data, and the services just get pointers to it, or copies of it. The originals live with you. Pointers are much preferable to copies…in someone else's content tree.”
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[timothy_chambe] http://scripting.com/2012/09/19/unweb20.html
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "finger.farm" https://finger.farm/ (from https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/13158-finger-farm)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Contra Chrome" https://contrachrome.com/ (from https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/8866-Contra-Chrome)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Piled On" https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/1861-Piled-On
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Distributed polls on your personal website" https://jamesg.blog/2022/05/17/indieweb-social-polling/
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petermolnar https://minutestomidnight.co.uk/blog/indieweb-and-webmentions-for-my-static-site/
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[KevinMarks] As noted previously, a way to do polls with webmentions would be to have a separate link per option, and have the poll tallying be done by counting the links. I think that's easier than requiring the text of a vote as well as a link to the poll.
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sknebel [fluffy]: ^^^ since those are older, did you intend to send them to indienews?
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[jamesg483] KevinMarks That makes an MVP easier 🙂 I’m going to give that a shot!
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IWDiscordGateway <nkot56297> Hi all!
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IWDiscordGateway <nkot56297> Hi all! Have you guys ever thought about using p2p network architecture for webmentions?
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[jamesg483] nkot56297 Can you elaborate?
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IWDiscordGateway <nkot56297> I thought about this: is it possible to use the network architecture with peer-to-peer through WebRTC - my question would be if it would be possible to use WebRTC with Webmention... I thought about this... because there is a project that uses cdn through p2p(peer-to-peer) - part of a server's content could be distributed to nearby clients - these same clients could share content of interest among themselves - so we could
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IWDiscordGateway <nkot56297> I thought about this: is it possible to use the network architecture with peer-to-peer through WebRTC - my question would be if it would be possible to use WebRTC with Webmention... I thought about this... because there is a project that uses cdn through p2p(peer-to-peer) - part of a server's content could be distributed to nearby clients - these same clients could share content of interest among themselves - so we could
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IWDiscordGateway <nkot56297> I thought about this: is it possible to use the network architecture with peer-to-peer through WebRTC - my question would be if it would be possible to use WebRTC with Webmention... I thought about this... because there is a project that uses cdn through p2p(peer-to-peer) - part of a server's content could be distributed to nearby clients - these same clients could share content of interest among themselves - so we could
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Loqi hey IWDiscordGateway: that's a lot of dev jargon! P2P... can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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[fluffy] [sknebel] Those things are things I had posted ages ago and my webmention sender must have decided to refresh the webmention. It seems that Indie News’ receiver isn’t tolerating refreshes correctly.
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[fluffy] Add that to the list of things that indienews doesn’t handle correctly. 😛
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[fluffy] Oh wait, I think that maybe the items just never got posted when I first submitted them to begin with? Weird.
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aaronpk Yeah it will update existing posts correctly
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aaronpk As long as the URL doesn't change
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[jamesg483] What is polling?
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Loqi polling is also known as periodically fetching, and part of the problem with the “just use RSS!” attitude by some old-school bloggers who are ignoring about 15 years of social media UX and protocols work, specifically the “thundering herd” problem as well as the overpolling problem of popular sites; use WebSub instead per https://tantek.com/2018/024/t4/websub-recommendation https://indieweb.org/polling
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[jamesg483] What is a poll?
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Loqi question is a post type for soliciting answer replies, which are then typically up/down voted by others and then displayed underneath the question post ordered by highest positive vote count rather than time ordered https://indieweb.org/poll
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[Murray] what is thundering herd
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "thundering herd" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "thundering herd is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich] What is Hashnode?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hashnode" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Hashnode is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich] https://hashnode.com/ looks like it's a bit similar to dev.to, but will allow one to map a custom domain to it... anyone use it or syndicate to it?
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sknebel they didnt need to copy dev.to down to the antipatterns... (fake notification icon)
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[tantek] what is dev.to
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dev.to" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "dev.to is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] are these even worth their own page?
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[tantek] ok just checked the home page of devto and wut. this has nothing to do with indieweb, maybe some #indieweb-dev bits for various frameworks or tools?
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aaronpk It's an interesting example of a community aggregator of blog posts but that's the only relevance I see other than what you just mentioned
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] do you find either hashnode or devto useful for any particular IndieWeb related reason?
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[aciccarello] They promote cross posting
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[aciccarello] devto that is
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[aciccarello] I consider syndicating to them when posting programming blog posts
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[chrisaldrich] They both look like article-based versions of Tumblr, but focused on the development community. I thought it was nice that they allow custom domain names, so they're at least a bit IndieWeb friendly in that perspective.
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[aciccarello] They've open sourced the underlying CMS too
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[chrisaldrich] I thought it was odd that there's apparently enough competition in the space that there are two of them.
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[chrisaldrich] iirc I've seen a few webmention articles on dev.to, though no evidence that they might support it.
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[aciccarello] hackernoon was another one but that might be more curated.
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[chrisaldrich] I was curious if anyone had used either as syndication points or reached out to them with respect to more IndieWeb functionality.
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aaronpk https://dev.to/t/webmentions
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aaronpk It has been suggested before https://github.com/forem/forem/issues/1736
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Loqi [vorillaz] #1736 Add webmention integration.
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[snarfed] stalebot-- agreed
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[jamesg483] 😞
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[tantek] is this a silo quit? 💁‍♂️🦋 https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/jordan-peterson-twitter-sports-illustrated-model-b2081159.html
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[fluffy] I sometimes cross post my programming articles to dev.to. Their syndication model is feed-based and a little annoying to set up if your CMS doesn't make it easy to do a custom feed.
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[fluffy] What I do is tag my dev.to syndication posts with a tag and then dev.to subscribes to a feed with just that tag.
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[tw2113_Slack_] it’s a comeuppance quit in my book Tantek
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[fluffy] Also the feed thing just prefills the form, you still have to do a lot of manual cleanup especially if there's images, and there's no way to automatically update text if it changes.
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[tantek] that sounds like a lot of work for not a great experience
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[fluffy] Yeah, it really is.
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[fluffy] Since my posts are already written in markdown it's probably easier to just copy-paste the original post text over and redo the images manually.
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[fluffy] It's even easier to just not use dev.to which isn't a great community in the first place.
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[tantek] that's the more important aspect, why bother POSSEing to some place not great? especially if you don't have friends who read you there
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[aciccarello] It seems like it is a decent place to get more eyeballs. They have a feed of recent posts and I'll sometimes use their search if I want to see what people are doing on a topic.
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[fluffy] Yeah that's why I do it
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[aciccarello] I think copying the markdown is easier than cross posting
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[fluffy] But it hasn't been beneficial enough
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[aciccarello] It's been a minute since I posted a programming article
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[tantek] what are eyeballs
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "eyeballs" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "eyeballs is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is reach
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Loqi reach is usually used to refer to the number or extent of people that see or are at least shown a specific post (of yours) in whatever aggregator or reader app, site, or home (news) feed feature of a silo that they use to view posts https://indieweb.org/reach
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[tantek] eyeballs are /reach
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich]++ for the meme that is now at the top of /reach
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[tantek] aciccarello have you had good experiences of folks reaching out to you from POSSEing to devto?
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[chrisaldrich] 😁
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[chrisaldrich] I notice that Dev.to also puts syndication links (though without markup) for syndicated articles right up at the top, which is a nice UI/contextual feature for a syndication platform https://dev.to/dailydevtips1/goodbye-comments-welcome-webmentions-499g. It seems like others in similar spaces put the link at the bottom (Tumblr, Medium iirc).
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[aciccarello] [tantek] Honestly I don't recall any interactions
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[tonz] I was at a conference today in Amsterdam, called Public Spaces, focusing on online public spaces. At the start there were a bunch of stand-up-if questions asked. Mostly about perceptions of social media platforms, whether you know about incoming EU legislation, and one was: stand up if you regularly POSSE what you share online (literally what was asked, and then she explained what POSSE meant). About 7 people in the room stood up.
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[tonz] IndieWeb wasn’t mentioned but I was pleasantly surprised that POSSE as a term was used at a conference with a pretty mainstream audience.
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[tantek] That's pretty amazing [tonz]
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> 😮
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[tantek] clearly POSSE has a POSSE 😄
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> 😎 [tantek]++
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