#indieweb 2022-11-04

2022-11-04 UTC
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aaronpk
with this big shakeup with twitter verification, I almost think "vouch" would be better off as a way to do p2p profile verification rather than vouching for webmentions
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[schmarty]1
👀
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aaronpk
everyone is so concerned about what twitter verification will mean once you can just pay for it
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GWG
aaronpk: Do you have a good idea about implementing it? We always have trouble getting past theory?
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IWDiscordGateway
<jacky> A simple one could be leaning on a back link from "reputable" domains (to the verifier)
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IWDiscordGateway
<jacky> Like if you have some sort of bidirectional linking to one's Wikipedia page, or Indieweb profile that's queryable without auth (IIRC)
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IWDiscordGateway
<jacky> Could be as simple as a rel-me back link on both pages
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IWDiscordGateway
<jacky> At least to start, I know someone out there will see a need for additional cryptographical usage like verifying the signature of said vouch in either direction
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[tantek]1
depending on the notion of a "reputable" domain is both a restatement of the need for vouching in the first place, and sounds like it could/would be potentially centralized
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[tantek]1
heh re: "additional cryptographical usage", like a spice to mix in
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[KevinMarks]1
Should we pick an emoji to put in twitter name to link to our personal sites?
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[tantek]1
Are there other emoji that are used in Twitter names for something else?
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ash[m]
Thanks Snarfed. I would have taken ages to discover that on my own
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[tantek]1
snarfed, lol yeah at some point we gave up namesmithing the AP verbs
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[KevinMarks]1
AS1 was a bit more focused, but AS2 we let Snell drive it more
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[KevinMarks]1
Pretty sure it was "share" in AS1
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cambridgeport90
What is IndieWeb CLI?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb CLI" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieWeb CLI is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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cambridgeport90
I'm not going to have that page created yet... because I think that term belongs to somebody's project up here... (it was in the list of commitments for 2023), so I'll let creators explain.
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[timothy_chambe]
“Blockchain protocols may be good for some things but they’re not good for Solid,” a web decentralization project led by Berners-Lee, he said. “They’re too slow too expensive and too public. Personal data stores have to be fast, cheap and private.” “Ignore the Web3 stuff, random Web3 that was built on blockchain,” he added. “We’re not using that for Solid.”
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Loqi
friendly reminder [timothy_chambe], it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (blockchain, web3)
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[tantek]1
lol yes [timothy_chambe]++
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Loqi
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[tantek]1
Interesting thread (revealed by the tweet in #indieweb-meta) https://twitter.com/JacobyDave/status/1588551014034321408
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gRegor
Image captured with a potato
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sknebel
I wonder if anyone ever made a pinhole camera by hollowing out a potato
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sknebel
probably
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[tantek]1
[fluffy]++ for https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/3449-The-Dangers-of-Context-Collapse — superbly written
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Loqi
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[fluffy]
Thanks! I was considering whether to post it to IndieNews or at least link to it from an appropriate page on the wiki.
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[tantek]1
handled the latter, I support IndieNewsing it
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[tantek]1
the examples (so many!) are 🙌🙌🙌
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "The Dangers of Context Collapse" https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/3449-The-Dangers-of-Context-Collapse
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[tantek]1
🎉
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ash[m]
do we have a post on the wiki about mastodon's autodelete feature? I think it's fascinating because when I first started with Indieweb stuff part of the appeal was that it would stop things from disappearing, links being broken, etc. but then these days I'm quite happy to have deleted all my old posts and be starting fresh.
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[tantek]1
what is autodelete?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "autodelete" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "autodelete is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]1
what is ephemeral post
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Loqi
Expiring content is content that is only temporarily (ephemerally) relevant, and also part of a larger post, that can and should be (preferably automatically) removed once a particular datetime has passed (the expiration date) https://indieweb.org/ephemeral_post
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[tantek]1
autodelete is /expiring_content
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[tantek]1
ash[m] is there a Mastodon page describing its autodelete feature?
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[tantek]1
who else has "Elsewhere" sections on their personal sites?
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[schmarty]1
does this box for rel=me's on my homepage count? http://mmg.re/
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Loqi
Marty McGuire
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[tantek]1
yes!
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[tantek]1
what is identity-elsewhere
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[tantek]1
what is identity-elsewhere
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Loqi
IndieWeb sites typically have a section (often labeled “Elsewhere”) on their website (typically on their home page) that links to profile pages on social network silos and other forms of identity elsewhere https://indieweb.org/identity-elsewhere
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[tantek]1
I'm curious how others decide what profiles / things to point to in their "elsewhere" sections
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[tantek]1
considering splitting mine between "also follow on" and "elsewhere"
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[snarfed]
mine is pretty performative, consciously just the silos I care about, right now Twitter and GH
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[snarfed]
(there are lots more for rel-me purposes that are hidden)
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[tantek]1
just decided to rewrite mine with the addition of an at-at identity
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[tantek]1
I split them into "Follow" and "Elsewhere": https://tantek.com/#follow
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[snarfed]
I was wondering how/where to link Bridgy Fed AP profiles
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[tantek]1
snarfed, I put an idea up there, interested in feedback! visual, usability etc.
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[snarfed]
oh no where to link them _to_. I guess any instance works, eg https://mastodon.social/@tantek.com@tantek.com
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Loqi
Tantek Çelik
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barnaby
not linking them is also a choice. the @-@ syntax is only necessary because mastodon etc can’t follow a plain domain. logically tantek.com@tantek.com would like back to tantek.com
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barnaby
*link back
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[snarfed]
yeah but for your fediverse identity in a "following" section, you probably want to link somewhere that helps people follow you there
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barnaby
huh https://mastodon.social/@tantek.com@tantek.com *does* just redirect back to tantek.com
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barnaby
for me at least
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Loqi
Tantek Çelik
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[snarfed]
oh wait that mastodon.social link above is now redirecting to tantek.com. before, it was showing the nice rendered AP profile
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[snarfed]
meh. will debug later
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barnaby
does mastodon have some sort of distributed web action support? a way of having people click “follow” on any page and it’ll get handled by their chosen server?
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[snarfed]
they have you type in your server
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barnaby
okay, so it’d be possible to make a UI for personal sites which redirects people to a follow UI on their home server
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[tantek]1
barnaby, yes, for more on that, let's go to #indieweb-dev
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barnaby
indeed