#indieweb 2022-11-13

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[tantek] jacky, at the risk of #indieweb-dev redirection, by that intepretation, what Mastodon originally supported as a "protocol" or "schema" was a bunch of stuff on top of OStatus
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[snarfed] tantek++ yup I remember those days all too well
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Loqi tantek has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (73 in all channels)
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[snarfed] We may complain about AP, but it was definitely a step forward
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[tantek] AP was definitely a big step forward from OStatus + all the gaps thr had to be filled in for OStatus
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[KevinMarks] Well, up to a point. Salmon was way too complicated, but so is webfinger and they kept that.
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[KevinMarks] Well, up to a point. Salmon was way too complicated, but so is webfinger and they kept that.
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[KevinMarks] Well, up to a point. Salmon was way too complicated, but so is webfinger and they kept that.
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[Ovi_Demetrian_] Hi all! I’ve been working on making my personal site more IndieWeb friendly: ovidem.com. I’m also working on an interface for an indie publishing platform for content creators: indieaisle.com. Here’s a post about the concept so far, I'm open to feedback on it! https://ovidem.com/blog/decentralized-twitter/
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[Ovi_Demetrian_] Hi all! I’ve been working on making my personal site more IndieWeb friendly: ovidem.com. I’m also working on an interface for an indie publishing platform for content creators: indieaisle.com. Here’s a post about the concept so far, I'm open to feedback on it! https://ovidem.com/blog/decentralized-twitter/
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[Ovi_Demetrian_] Hi all! I’ve been working on making my personal site more IndieWeb friendly: ovidem.com. I’m also working on an interface for an indie publishing platform for content creators: indieaisle.com. Here’s a post about the concept so far, I'm open to feedback on it! https://ovidem.com/blog/decentralized-twitter/
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[KevinMarks] Well, up to a point. Salmon was way too complicated, but so is webfinger and they kept that.
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aaronpk sorry for the noise, i think slack is re-sending some webhooks to the gateway that it thought failed
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[Ovi_Demetrian_] Hi all! I’ve been working on making my personal site more IndieWeb friendly: ovidem.com. I’m also working on an interface for an indie publishing platform for content creators: indieaisle.com. Here’s a post about the concept so far, I'm open to feedback on it! https://ovidem.com/blog/decentralized-twitter/
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[tantek] OSX machine migration completed successfully! Key things: don't create the same account name on the new machine as your primary (biggest with lots of files) account on the old machine. However, *do* setup a clean/plain admin account on the new machine first, and use that to install native versions of your commons apps *first* to the root Applications folder so that they’re used by default instead of any migrated applications.
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[jacky] interesting thing that the IW can avoid: direct linking is more natural than generating an account for people https://twitter.com/cherthedev/status/1591629585053290496
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@cherthedev I am not on Mastadon. This is not me. Please report! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fhaaq5maUAAzEva.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1591629585053290496)
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aaronpk oh weird is that an instance that makes a user for someone's twitter account?
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[jacky] yeah a bridge
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[tantek] ugh wow
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[tantek] New image for the /Twitter page? https://twitter.com/moonbroth/status/1590818358219673601
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@moonbroth @ZoeSchiffer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhO43R0WIAk8Aoe.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1590818358219673601)
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aaronpk lol
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[jacky] what are channels
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Loqi Join the #indieweb discussion via the web, Slack, IRC, Discord, or Matrix clients now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/channels
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[jacky] hmm close enough
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[jacky] ➡ #indieweb-dev
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[tantek] or this for /Twitter : https://twitter.com/likaluca/status/1590865301553676291
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@likaluca Wow someone really did this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhPjj3lXoAAq655.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1590865301553676291)
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[tonz] question: have you come across ActivityPub usage of the Arrive/Leave/Travel and Place activities/object in the wild? It’s in the spec. Mobilizon uses Place for its event listings. Arrive/Leave would be useful for check-ins, and Travel for Dopplr style things.
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[KevinMarks] Interesting framing https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/11/twitter-facebook-social-media-decline/672074/
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[tantek] [KevinMarks]++ great article and is that same Ian Bogost that was mentioned in one of the tweets in #indieweb-meta ?
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Loqi [KevinMarks] has 10 karma in this channel over the last year (51 in all channels)
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[tantek] Definitely worth IndieNewsing
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[tantek] Also I’m almost certain I uttered this exact phrase, almost certainly at SXSW:
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[tantek] >> In 2005, at an industry conference, I remember overhearing an attendee say, “I’m so behind on my Flickr!”
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[tantek] This ibogost, same person as that Atlantic article author?
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[tantek] Mastodon << Criticism: high friction for signup and use: https://twitter.com/ibogost/status/1589399381198848001
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@ibogost It’s insane to me that people are pretending Mastodon doesn’t have massive friction for sign up and use. The entire premise of the consumer-internet age, for good and ill, was based on reducing friction as much as possible—especially at signup. You are all kidding yourselves. (twitter.com/_/status/1589399381198848001)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: high friction for signup and use: https://twitter.com/ibogost/status/1589399381198848001" to the "See Also" section of /Mastodon https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84372&oldid=84370
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[KevinMarks] Yes, same. He's becoming quite the sceptic recently. He mostly writes about games.
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IWDiscordRelay <r​adio minnesota#8264> Hello,
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IWDiscordRelay <r​adio minnesota#8264> Hello, new member here and on the Mastodon instance. Not a programmer but self taught computer enthusiast. (Linux, Raspberry Pi, Tor, IRC et al.) hope you don't mind me hanging out here to watch "behind the scenes" of my Mastodon supplier.
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IWDiscordRelay <r​adio minnesota#8264> forgot my handle @RadioMinnesota@indieweb.social
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Loqi RadioMinnesota has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] welcome RadioMinnesota++
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IWDiscordRelay <m​artijnvdven#0666> radio_minnesota[d] as a note: this chat is primarily for indieweb.org, not specifically the indieweb.social Mastodon server. Although [tbc], who is the admin for indieweb.social is connected to this chat too 😊
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IWDiscordRelay <r​adio minnesota#8264> Zegnat[d]: so you run the server as an aside to the .org?
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IWDiscordRelay <m​artijnvdven#0666> indieweb.org does not run the Mastodon instance. A community member runs it. It just happens to have the same name. It was started as a federation experiment (I think) between Indieweb specifications and Mastodon. See the short note on https://indieweb.org/indieweb.social
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IWDiscordRelay <r​adio minnesota#8264> dang, my bad. I should learn more before I boost a server, lol Thanks for the info
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IWDiscordRelay <r​adio minnesota#8264> Zegnat[d]: dang, my bad. I should learn more before I boost a server, lol Thanks for the info
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[snarfed] martijnvdven afaik it never had any federation code or experimental code, just a stock instance
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Loqi friendly reminder IWDiscordRelay [snarfed], I don't mean to be a bother, but federation seems like a better conversation for #indieweb-dev
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IWDiscordRelay <m​artijnvdven#0666> radio_minnesota[d]: It is no problem. Indieweb is everywhere, and we are happy to have you 😄 Whether it be on the Mastodon instance, or if you want to check out indieweb.org and learn more about the sort of thinking we have about online identities and websites. Never be afraid to ask. (Or just to lurk for the behind the scenes as you said 😉 )
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petermolnar there's also https://fed.brid.gy/
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IWDiscordRelay <r​adio minnesota#8264> Zegnat[d]: thanks for the kind welcome
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[tantek] radiominnesota, we're happy to have indieweb.social folks here!
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GWG I'm about to get a lot more venues
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Welcome radio_minnesota[d]!
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> We appreciate the boost 🙂
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> As Zegnat[d] said, we are always happy to help with questions about the IndieWeb / indie web!
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