#indieweb 2022-11-14

2022-11-14 UTC
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[jacky] itch.io is supporting blogging now https://itch.io/blog/451398/video-game-blogging-at-the-end-of-the-world-hello-world
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GWG Anyone willing to help me with my presentation work?
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GWG I keep iterating on my checkins and venues. https://david.shanske.com/kind/checkin/
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> How was your trip to JFK GWG?
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GWG Tiring
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[KevinMarks] This is very good https://newpublic.substack.com/p/revisiting-the-public-commons
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cambridgeport90 Only problem... is that it's written on a centralized platform that's not going to get the author anywhere when it comes to keeping their data. Could be removed at any time.
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[jacky] Substack provides RSS so if they _wanted_ to, they could use that as an export
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[jacky] (or even as /backfeed)
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ash[m] Anyone else doing repost with comment, ie QRT on their site?
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/quotation#IndieWeb_Examples
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ash[m] Ahhh
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ash[m] I was looking at /repost
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[KevinMarks] The joy of admin tax? https://cohost.org/tef/post/298638-sure-it-didn-t-work
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barnaby “The nicest thing about posting this on cohost is all of the people who'll get really mad about it won't use this website because it's not free or federated enough” lol did they fix their batshit insane ToS yet?
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barnaby heh, or the margins on their homepage https://cohost.org/rc/welcome
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aaronpk A lot of good points in there
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aaronpk "things do not scale that well when every instance has to cache a large chunk of the network in order to function"
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sknebel reasons why feedreaders are bad? ;)
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petermolnar > Sure, it didn't work for Email - erm... so let's look back at the 70s when email actually started. Sure, fidonet wasn't a thing either.
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petermolnar I understand the rant, we all need to do that from time to time but saying "it didn't work for email" is extremely narrow minded. It was a lot more interesting what [KevinMarks] linked a while ago about they absurd toxicity that popped up in Usenet 30ish years ago, which stayed, and never went away.
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[snarfed] (also, "cache a large chunk of the network," ahem blockchain 😆)
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aaronpk s/a large chunk of/the entire 😂
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[jacky] I agree, petermolnar, and tbh the post comes off extremely defeatist. If more people adopted that kind of ideology, the IndieWeb wouldn't need to exist (nor any sort of group of people who weren't comfortable enough with a status quo)
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[campegg] The thing that kind of irks me about those kind of “x didn’t work in the past, so it won’t work now” types of posts is that they all make the assumption that the conditions that caused x to fail in the past are still present and equally valid today… following that line of thought, if something doesn’t work once, we should never try to do it again. That’s some stinky thinking right there
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[jacky] Agreed, campegg
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[timothy_chambe] FYI Dave Winer on "inbound rss" and [manton] if you look in the github link on this post microdotblog gets a shout out:
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[timothy_chambe] "Right now micro.blog is the only blogging site that supports inbound RSS that I know of. Which makes it an incredibly interesting place for FeedLand to peer with, because we are the hotspot for feeds. We bring them in and ship em out. And in the process you can categorize stuff, push it out with the click of the Like button and we also do categories very nicely and in a functional way that you end up actually using (this is
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[timothy_chambe] something I've been trying to accomplish my whole freaking career).
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Loqi hey [timothy_chambe]: I don't mean to be a bother, but RSS seems like a better conversation for #indieweb-dev
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[timothy_chambe] I think this is the future. I call it Two-way RSS. The first way is the one we all know about, outbound. But inbound? well as far as the state of the art in 2022 is concerned, every inbound RSS app today is a feedreader. Except micro.blog. I think there will be an explosion of inbound RSS apps. I want WordPress to do it. Substack. And Mastodon. There should be a new address for a user. Here's an idea -- let DNS do it."
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[timothy_chambe] https://twitter.com/davewiner/status/1592175836240699401
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@davewiner I think there will be an explosion of inbound RSS apps. I want WordPress to do it. Substack. And Mastodon. There should be a new address for a user that's simply an RSS feed. Here's an idea -- let DNS do it the mapping. https://github.com/scripting/reallySimpleActivityPub/issues/1#issuecomment-1313912411 (twitter.com/_/status/1592175836240699401)
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[schmarty] so he doesn't know about YARNS or basically any other https://indieweb.org/social_reader
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[jacky] it doesn't seem like he engages outside of the bubble
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[jacky] but that's for the better
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[benatwork] re: tef's post, I don't understand cohost at all at all
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[benatwork] like, it looks like livejournal circa 2002? is that the appeal? because dreamwidth also exists
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barnaby [benatwork]: same, I’ve seen a lot of people from a certain twitter subculture head there, but can’t see the appeal myself. I’m a little curious what the demographics of their user base is
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[benatwork] and on that post: tef's an in-person friend first, internet contact second, and I have a lot of respect for him, and also I think cynicism can turn into a sort of purity test for solutions that actually holds back progress. criticisms are good, and there are valid ones there. but defeatism and the quest for perfect is the enemy of good.
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[benatwork] s/him/them; I was using the wrong pronouns without realizing it.
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slyduda can someone link tef's post, i'm a little lost on the context of cohost. personally, i've foudn a lot of my birdsite friends advocate and enjoy the site. there really is nothing too special about it other than inline css support, some cool scs hacks that exist, and the removal of likes and reposts to decommodify engagement, whhich i personally think makes it special in its own rite
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[schmarty] slyduda: kevinmarks linked it above.
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[schmarty] (re: admintax)
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slyduda got it i see it now
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[benatwork] removed all twitter links from my website. I just can't anymore.
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slyduda barnaby: hopefully its's not much to ask, what was in particular bad with their ToS? i am skimming through it and i can't find anything out of the ordinary.
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aaronpk [benatwork]++ that's a big step
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[benatwork] oh, btw, I pledged to get my website posting directly to the fediverse last week. I worked on it but didn't quite get there (even with bridgy - not sure what's wrong). continuing to work on it.
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[snarfed] hi [benatwork]! this is https://fed.brid.gy/user/werd.io ? looks like werd.io isn't yet redirecting the URL paths it needs to: https://fed.brid.gy/#setup
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[benatwork] oh! I'll take another look at my htaccess
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[benatwork] likely a dumb typo on my end
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[snarfed] (and apologies, BF onboarding is pretty rough right now, I'm definitely planning on improving it, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/276 )
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[benatwork] thanks for checking! I really appreciate it!
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[snarfed] welcome, thanks for trying it!
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Loqi [snarfed] #276 Better homepage account setup flow
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Loqi benatwork has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (6 in all channels)
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[schmarty] benatwork++ good idea removing twitter from homepage. just removed mine.
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petermolnar Did I miss something re people removing twitter links? Or it's just the same old (dumpster) fire?
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[jacky] I wanted to get into cohost but that (kinda unnecessary) wall to post (having to wait in a queue) just gave me flashbacks to waiting outside of a club to get in, thinking it'll be great and finding out it was just okay
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[jacky] And tbh /plurality is needed
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[jacky] some things will work better for others
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barnaby slyduda: there were several lengthy threads about the cohost ToS, I linked one from https://indieweb.org/cohost.org
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barnaby that was from a week or so ago, so they might have changed stuff already by now
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed++ for having Brid.gy appropriately manage to syndicate alt-text of photos to the birdsite. 🙂
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[snarfed] 🎉
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slyduda barnaby: thank you for sharing this, i appreciate it!
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slyduda [snarfed]: that's incredible thank you
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[snarfed] welcome all!
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[snarfed] unrelated, noticeable growth in Bridgy Mastodon webmentions over the last few weeks: https://snarfed.org/bridgy_twitter_vs_mastodon.png
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barnaby are those incoming webmentions to proxied content with mf2 via BF?
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[jacky] niceee
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[snarfed] barnaby no this is plain Bridgy, outbound wms
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barnaby ah, got it, nice
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[timothy_chambe] This site is going to be very busy: https://twitterisgoinggreat.com/
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gRegor haha
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