#indieweb 2022-11-15

2022-11-15 UTC
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yarrie im so glad someone built this, can be hard to keep up
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yarrie i love molly white's static timeline layout too
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yarrie no rss i don't think tho :(
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cambridgeport90 [pfefferle]I can see why you love Molly's timeline. She's a Bostonian... and a hoot and a half.
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GWG cambridgeport90: How is Bostonian relevant?
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[jacky] remember that thing about 1TB ram? here's an update https://infosec.exchange/@jerry/109345000405473465
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Loqi [Jerry Bell :verified:] Deleted and reposting because I neglected to mention a major part of our team, @cirriustech and that needs to be set right. ———————Hi all. I want to spend a moment expressing my deep appreciation for the infosec.exchange moderation te...
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[tantek] whoa lots of dev-centric scrollback! hello?
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[tantek] I'm adding admintax to /jargon. users should never need to know about admintax. that's a developer choice (of how much admintax to pay)
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petermolnar "users should never need to know about admintax" we are the off the grid people of the internet, if you have an off the grid home, you know how to keep it up, jargon or not, right?
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petermolnar Yes, people need to know how to maintain their own hole, even if that maintenance is to call a friend, or the local sysadmin, like most of us do with our cars.
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[tantek] we're absolutely not the "off the grid people", sounds like you're looking for Offline Camp 😛
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[tantek] we're the community shared network people
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petermolnar the what?
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petermolnar ok, let's take a step back. We - indieweb - in our principles, say, that one needs their domain and, preferably, their own(ed) site behind it. There is no way avoiding some level of admintax, if not for the domain part, understanding what it is, and what it does.
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petermolnar "admintax" is not one level, it's not uniform, and it's unavoidable to some extent
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[tantek] nah, not unlike a cell phone number, there's a bunch of forms to fill out when you first get it, but after that, auto-charge your credit card and you’re done! no admintax
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[tantek] unless you want to switch cell phone carriers / web hosts, then you have to fill out a bunch more forms
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[tantek] again, not a regular "tax"
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[tantek] all the crap about upgrading software on servers, version of programming languages, updating dependencies etc. — no user has to deal with that admintax crap
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petermolnar you never own a cellphone number, it's rented.
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petermolnar not a good example imo
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petermolnar well... it is.
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petermolnar domains aren't owned either, that is true
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petermolnar BUT
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petermolnar users DO have to deal with upgrading their phone and the apps on it, so there's that
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petermolnar even old, non-smart phones had, occassionally, firmware upgrades because of vulnerabilities
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petermolnar is that not admintax?
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petermolnar I can't even count how many times an upgrade to an app broke either workflow, compatibility, data, etc with upgrades, shiniest example is Firefox for Android and the removal of addons except for that pathetic list
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petermolnar (I'm still frustrated about the move from Fennec, which worked nicely, sorry if my words came out too harsh)
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[tantek] no worries, I sympathize with the frustration
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Fokzo Heya y'all ! Just poking my nuzzle here because I've got idea I want to discuss
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Fokzo Mostly to know if anyone has idea about where to host my own website :P
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Fokzo For now, it's on a small server in the back of my room, but I'm looking for something a bit more resilient ahah
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petermolnar I've had VPS, rented server, owned co-hosted server, and I'm back to small server under a cabinet; it's resilient enough, and that "enough" is important :)
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petermolnar once you start chasing resiliency it becomes a never ending story: ECC RAM, EEC back disks, ZFS for redundancy, redundant power supply, UPS, redundant UPS, fallback internet, the list is endless :)
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Loqi hey petermolnar, would you mind moving this conversation (VPS, ZFS) to #indieweb-dev? thanks!
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Fokzo Gotcha !
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tommorris on the admintax comparison, domains are pretty easy - I go in every few years and renew it and pay, I dunno, $10-15 a year. when I think of admintax, the real stuff is DB management, web server management, containerisation, devopsy stuff. that stuff sucks more for me than the domain renewal
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tommorris Let's Encrypt and equiv at least got rid of the SSL/TLS cert tax and automated it
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tommorris an idle thought regarding /longevity and domains not being owned - the average cost of a burial in London is £4,391 - $5,200 roughly. that gets a 50 year lease of a grave. assuming $50 a year for hosting and domain renewal (I've gone a bit above, considering inflation, cost of energy might increase), that's 100 years.
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tommorris as in, the cost of preserving a blog/personal site for a century (given that you could find someone to do it), it's fairly similar to that of having a burial
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tommorris obvs, that assumes anyone wants to read my braindroppings in decades time. by then, stuff like IPFS etc. might be more advanced
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petermolnar I'm yet to find a provider who'd be willing to register .net for more, than 10 years
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petermolnar btw long time no see, tommorris :)
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[kimberlyhirsh] Fokzo, I like Reclaim Hosting.
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tommorris petermolnar: hey I've started IRC lurking again good to see you
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ash[m] ok I have repost-with-quote working on microblog.pub with both mf2 markup and also supporting the proposed fediverse AP extension: https://acegiak.net/o/9a9e980afaf2423ebe3fc2f7e8d9c43f
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Loqi [@ash@acegiak.net] Well that seems to be working.
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ash[m] I do need to work out how to visually show "this is the quoted thing" without creating shrinking width margins for long stacks though.
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GWG tommorris and ash/acegiak are back... it's like 2014 again.
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ash[m] 🤣
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GWG ash[m]: Hope you are well.
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ash[m] Yeah, as well as can be expected in a capitalist hellscape. Moved to Sweden from Australia and bought an apartment in Stockholm
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GWG ash[m]: I go there all the time...on my Ticket to Ride game board
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ash[m] Lol
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Zegnat I guess that means we are one person closer to a Swedish IWC again ;)
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barnaby I might be up for travelling to a Swedish IWC
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Zegnat There has been one, though to be honest that one was close to a joke. Some of us got together to call in to the Summit in Portland: https://indieweb.org/2019/%C3%85m%C3%A5l
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sknebel To be fair 25% of attendees were sick and couldn't travel :P
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GWG I just want an IWC I can attend
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GWG I just survived a transcontinental journey masked... including 4 hours in the airport lounge before the flight
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> GWG I do believe I owe you a ticket to ride game one day.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> marksuth and I spoke about an IWC UK next May or so.
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GWG capjamesg: Username on website.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> They have a website?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I have it on steam.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/nov/15/uk-treasury-joins-chat-app-discord-torrent-abuse
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> HWC London / Europe is tomorrow: https://events.indieweb.org/2022/11/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-AUYiN5M9QjLT
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[campegg] c​apjamesg#4492 😆 https://campegg.com/media/images/hunt.png
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[campegg] British journalism is amazing
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> We aim to please 😄
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/109349167321851783
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Loqi [Chris Trottier] Automattic is one of the most important companies on the Internet. They make Tumblr, WooCommerce, Akismet, LongReads, WordPress—among others.WordPress alone powers ~44% of the world's websites.More interesting: despite being such a large, dominant ...
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