#indieweb 2022-11-17

2022-11-17 UTC
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caustic
ping
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Loqi
pong
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caustic
nice
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[jeremycherfas]
Newsblur is good at training the kinds of posts you see, and has some ability to respond in different ways, but has so far resisted all requests to enable Micropub.
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[manton]
I’ve been wanting to write a blog post about why I dislike the term “fediverse”… It implies some kind of special layer above the web instead of using the actual web as intended. Maybe I’m being too nitpicky about it?
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aaronpk
not too nitpicky
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aaronpk
and it is something other than the web
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aaronpk
so at least it's accurate 🤷‍♂️
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[aciccarello]
I think it's a fair criticism in some respects. Still, I think there's some benefit to the "branding" of saying that something works with ActivityPub.
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[aciccarello]
Do you think "fediverse" is more user centric than "ActivityPub"? Is there something better?
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Loqi
[aciccarello]: it looks like this conversation is getting pretty technical (ActivityPub), can you take it to #indieweb-dev?
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[aciccarello]
Kinda my point Loqi
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aaronpk
haha yeah
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aaronpk
don't forget about the twitterverse
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aaronpk
and blogosphere
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[manton]
Hmm, good point.
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[manton]
Although blogosphere is more about how web sites are used than the technical bits.
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[aciccarello]
Yeah, that one feels more cultural than technical
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aaronpk
i think in all cases the terms refer more to the community than the technology
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[tantek]
Is it a community or people that happen to use similar tools? (which does not make you a “community”, despite what marketers believe & sell)
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[tantek]
“Brands” have abused/diluted the word “community” like this for at least a decade, ever since hiring a “community manager” became a thing. Maybe early 2000s?
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[KevinMarks]
fediverse predates AP, it was the gnusocial network originally
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sknebel
https://axbom.com/fediverse/ was shared quite a bit recently
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[tantek]
Diagrams are powerful. They can help illustrate (as it were) abstract concepts and even jargon
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[aciccarello]
Are there any parallels to draw for IndieWeb protocols? I'm hesitant to use the term "Webmention" heavily on my site because I don't expect people to know what that means.
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[tantek]
aciccarello, yeah, there should be no need to use "Webmention" in any UI text, because it's better to name the specific things like comments, likes, etc.
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[tantek]
what is a diagram
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Loqi
Visual representation, sketch notes from talks, building block logos, images, and slide deck templates you can use in your talks https://indieweb.org/diagram
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[tantek]
that said, anecdotally a lot of us have found that "Webmention" is very quickly understood when described as "@-mentions for the whole web!"
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[aciccarello]
The webmention wiki page feels very technical. Is there a page to point less-technical people to as an explanation of "What is a webmention?"
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aaronpk
i think this is one of the big differences between the fediverse and indieweb tools, "fediverse" tends to imply a complete end-to-end experience that is similar to how people expect twitter to work. "indieweb" is much more building blocks choose your own adventure
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[aciccarello]
Right, IndieWeb is definitely a collection of blocks the community uses.
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aaronpk
it's also much clearer to answer the question "am i on the fediverse" vs "am i on the indieweb" because of that
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[tantek]
indiewebify.me could (should?) clearly answer the question of "am I on the indieweb"
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barnaby
[tantek]: agreed, I have plans for this once I have time for working on community projects again
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barnaby
I began to collect additional ideas and issues at https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues so feel free to add to that if there are specific things you think would be useful
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aaronpk
but, "am i on the indieweb" is everything from "i have a website and i put things on it" to "i can receive comments via webmention" etc
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[snarfed]
The must inclusive but still meaningful answer is probably, do you have a personal web site on a pay-level domain
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barnaby
I want to expand on the atomic feature-specific tests which it already does, and additionally add a mode where you put your homepage URL in and it scans your site for everything it can find, listing things it detected and suggesting next steps
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barnaby
I imagine there’s a range of different support for low-level features which is considered “on the fediverse” e.g. from a minimum of sending content to followers all the way up to supporting everything including obscure details like mastodon’s custom Move activity for changing instances
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barnaby
but I expect most people would define it as something like “can be followed+sends content to followers, can read incoming content from other people”
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barnaby
which on the indieweb is: have h-feed or ATOM, send webmentions, handle incoming responses, have a feed reader
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[jacky]
(very good convo and I have to go to a call 😭)
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