#indieweb 2022-11-30

2022-11-30 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] What is support?
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Loqi support is related to all things regarding issues reported to a site or silo, like when you report abuse, and receive a response in a support inbox https://indieweb.org/support
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[chrisaldrich] No, not that...
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[chrisaldrich] What is donation?
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Loqi A donation is a brief post, often a note, indicating an act of giving items or money to another person, or organization; to donate or make a pledge to the IndieWeb community, see the IndieWeb Open Collective https://indieweb.org/donation
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[chrisaldrich] What is pledge?
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Loqi A pledge is a recurring donation; to pledge a regular amount to the IndieWeb community, see the IndieWeb Open Collective https://indieweb.org/pledge
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[chrisaldrich] Spending some time thinking about these for Giving Tuesday...
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[tw2113_Slack_] ah givingtuesday
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[tw2113_Slack_] the only “holiday” around this long weekend I have legit care for outside of thanksgiving
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[benatwork] this is my first one working for a nonprofit and I've got lots of thoughts ... currently looking at building a donate button into my website
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[tw2113_Slack_] if it’s a WordPress based website, I appreciate everyone who works at GiveWP
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "The fediverse and the indieweb" https://werd.io/2022/the-fediverse-and-the-indieweb (from https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/8157-The-fediverse-and-the-indieweb)
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[jacky] did I miss the social cg meeting today?
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[tantek] was there one?
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aaronpk Not that I knew about and I am a co-chair 😬
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[jacky] lol yikes
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Screech - a micropub client for podcasting" https://martymcgui.re/2017/03/14/screech-a-micropub-client-for-podcasting/
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[schmarty] ha o no
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[schmarty] i updated that old post and forgot i had an indienews syndication on there so it's a new post 🤦‍♂️
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[tantek] that's not your fault, resending webmentions should not result in undesired behavior
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [chrisaldrich] Are you planning on taking any notes on that event?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I don't think I'll make it.
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alex2 Hi everyone
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alex2 I am new to Indieweb. I have a question. If I host my blog in indieweb, how do I get readers?
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petermolnar However, "host my blog in indieweb" is not really a thing, because:
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petermolnar alex2: that is one of the big questions: how to get readers.
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petermolnar what is indieweb?
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Loqi The IndieWeb is a community of independent & personal websites connected by simple standards, based on the principles of: owning your domain & using it as your primary identity, publishing on your own site (optionally syndicating elsewhere), and owning your data https://indieweb.org/indieweb
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petermolnar what is discovery?
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Loqi Discovery is a variety of methods for finding content, websites, communities, or people to follow on the web including search, directories, recommendation engines, tags, or other serendipitous methods https://indieweb.org/discovery
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petermolnar ^^^ this is probably the closest answer to "how to get readers"
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> The HWC London / Europe meetup is tonight: https://events.indieweb.org/2022/11/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-lmza1W3WbgYr
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> benatwork: I've been considering the same in expanding my page. I have https://jacky.wtf/patron. There's some stuff I do donate to that's controversial (like funds for abortion) that I think I'd put there (it's my site after all!)
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[chrisaldrich] capjamesg, I'm hoping to be able to attend all of that event, but have a tentative overlapping work call. We'll see what happens...
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[chrisaldrich] What is blue beanie day?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "blue beanie day" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "blue beanie day is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich] Apparently it's an ongoing thing: https://mastodon.social/@w3c@w3c.social/109432443642157174
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Loqi [World Wide Web Consortium] ☞ today November 30 is the 15th Blue Beanie Day, an annual international celebration and support of Web standards.Thanks to all who help develop standards, promote the open web, and thanks to @zeldman for starting it in 2007!Listen to our Founder a...
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superkuh A bit off-topic, but, does anyone know something like nitter for mastadon? A gateway that converts the javascript application "sites" to actual html pages?
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aaronpk heh
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[snarfed] => #indieweb-dev
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[snarfed] (oh sorry superkuh looks like you're not there)
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[snarfed] (oh no maybe you are? I guess Slack search doesn't search bridged usernames)
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superkuh I'm almost certainly not going to implement it myself. Not unless there's a way to request the json of an activitypub article via cURL or something.
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superkuh I looked for that but it didn't seem possible.
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superkuh re, -dev.
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[snarfed] you can get JSON via curl! just need conneg. curl -H 'Accept: application/activity+json' ...
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Loqi hey superkuh, [snarfed], that's a lot of dev jargon! ActivityPub, implement, JSON, conneg... can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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[snarfed] yuuuup
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superkuh Alrighty. Thought this was the better place. Guess not.
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[tantek] superkuh, it's a good place to ask for user tools (like you did), it's better to discuss anything about building/constructing such tools in #indieweb-dev which is why I think snarfed suggested immediately going there (implying there are no current turnkey tools, for that, yet)
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superkuh nods.
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[chrisaldrich] obligatory, since snarfed's bot missed it: conneg--
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Loqi conneg has -2 karma in this channel over the last year (-17 in all channels)
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[snarfed] ooh bot now there's a good idea
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[snarfed] glad to have you aboard chrisaldrich
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[chrisaldrich] 🤣
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[tantek] posting my first blog post since I setup Bridgy Fed so this will be interesting to see how this "federates"
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[aciccarello] I was wondering that too. I think Mastodon does something like a "see more" on long posts
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/2022/11/30101301-8767.png
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aaronpk looks like there's an extra fed.brid.gy link in the text
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gRegor Oh cool, I was wondering about that too. I didn't federate an article because I didn't want full text going through.
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aaronpk oh weird, now that link redirects me to the post
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aaronpk the first time i clicked it i saw a bunch of json
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[snarfed] => #indieweb-dev
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[tantek] That's not a horrible result, though not entirely what I was expecting. Interesting.
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[snarfed] right. compromise
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gRegor Got the same result. Yeah, those BF "permalinks" redirect to the original post
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[tantek] I am actually relieved that it did not post the "full content" of the article
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[tantek] though I half expected it might and was like ok let's see what happens
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[snarfed] yeah arguably it should. I dunno though. thoughts?
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aaronpk i think people don't expect to see full blog posts in mastodon?
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gRegor I don't think I'd want full articles there. It's similar to when I cross-post to Twitter, I use the title and a link to the post.
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[tantek] snarfed, I think this is a fine default
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[snarfed] cool
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[tantek] one possible option is that if my blog post included an explicit p-summary / e-summary, then that would be posted in its entirety in the federated version
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[tantek] that way you get smart succinct default, and author opt-in to express more of an article in its federated form
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Loqi friendly reminder [tantek], it looks like this conversation is getting pretty technical (federated, Microformats), can you take it to #indieweb-dev?
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[tantek] fair
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[KevinMarks] Some servers allow longer posts. The mastodon client does a read more link like monocle
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> HWC London / Europe is starting in a minute: https://events.indieweb.org/2022/11/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-lmza1W3WbgYr
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[tantek] from an authoring perspective, I still think setting an explicit summary should cause that to be the content that is pushed to Mastodon followers etc.
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[tantek] curious what snarfed thinks about that
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[tantek] from a UX / user-expectations perspective
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[tantek] (saving technical details for #indieweb-dev obv)
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[snarfed] sure! I don't have really strong instincts for these parts, happy to follow the consensus
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gRegor I'd be +1 for summary going through
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[snarfed] we debated this for Bridgy Twitter a while back and settled on something similar. https://brid.gy/about#prefers , https://brid.gy/about#prefers
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[tantek] that sounds familiar, makes sense to keep that consistency of expectations
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[snarfed] comparing my personal flow for reading/responding to Mastodon vs Twitter, it's now...ok. reading Bridgy Fed's feed of my followings in my feed reader works pretty well
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[snarfed] responding, less so. I'm almost always on my phone. I used to use bookmarklets + WordPress Press This to like/reply/repost, but those broke a while ago, at least for this, https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix/issues/2871#issuecomment-1160645111
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[snarfed] haven't found a fix or replacement yet
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Loqi [snarfed] I tried the bookmarklet posted earlier here that removes CSS, and it works, so pop-up blocking (and blocking changing the current window's location) probably are the issues after all. Bookmarklets that open new windows or change the current tab's lo...