#indieweb 2022-12-16

2022-12-16 UTC
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[tantek] why << https://mastodon.art/@Elwell/109518110263944680
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Loqi ok, I added "https://mastodon.art/@Elwell/109518110263944680" to the "See Also" section of /why https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85066&oldid=82096
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[tantek] holy crap Twitter (presumably Elno) suspended the joinmastodon account! https://twitter.com/joinmastodon/
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aaronpk hahahah what
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Loqi awesome
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barnaby he’s really been going wild with the suspend button, between that and various private jet tracking accounts
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[KevinMarks] The mastodon account tweeted that ElonJet was on mastodon now, so it's 3 degrees of Streisand Effect now
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[tantek] tempted to write an satire about writing satire versions of your notes for POSSEing to Twitter so they don’t trigger Elno & The Bots (not an actual bandname)
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gRegor satire about writing satire? yo dawg
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aaronpk Umm now would be a good time to send any tweets from certain people to the internet archive just saying
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aaronpk I just opened Twitter for the first time today and my entire timeline is screenshots of accounts getting banned
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gRegor Yeah, just casually banning journalists, among many others: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/twitter-suspends-journalists-covering-elon-musk-company-rcna62032
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[tw2113_Slack_] i need to find some places where he's just ignored
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aaronpk topic-specific communities that are not about space, cars, or the internet, which also don't have a meme channel/thread
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aaronpk good luck haha
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[tw2113_Slack_] a man can dream
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btrem One of the most ridiculous myths circulating in the media these last couple of months is that Elon Musk is a free speech absolutist. There are even discussions in respectable news outlets about the danger of such unfettered free speech. Meanwhile, Musk is busy suppressing speech numerous times, in numerous ways.
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aaronpk not sure how that's a myth? that was a term he used to describe himself
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btrem Well, given that he banned several twitter accounts today, I'd say that's how. (Yes, I realize that the First Amendment does not cover Twitter. But Musk doesn't seem to make the distinction, so neither will I in this case.)
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aaronpk i don't think "myth" is the right word for that
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aaronpk seems more like a blatant lie, or hypocrisy
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btrem I'm not sure what distinction you're making, but ok. "One of the most ridiculous lies circulating...." :)
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btrem I guess I'd say when Musk himself says it, it's a lie or hypocrisy. When reporters tell us he is what he says he is, without bothering to do the most basic fact-checking, over and over, it becomes a myth.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/15/twitter-suspends-accounts-journalists-musk
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[KevinMarks] Amy, Tess and Lea on TAG, yay! https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/9787
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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Loqi [preview] The W3C Advisory Committee has elected the following people to the W3C Technical Architecture Group (TAG): Amy Guy (Digital Bazaar), Theresa O’Connor (Apple, Inc.) and Lea Verou (W3C Invited Expert). They join co-Chair Tim Berners-Lee and continuin...
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] that seems better for #indieweb-chat or maybe #indieweb-dev if you think there’s some TAG / indieweb specs related thing
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aaronpk for those who have set up bridgy fed or other things that turn your website into a mastodon-followable profile, do you treat "mastodon/activitypub" as a separate destination you're syndicating your posts out to? or do you consider it to be just part of your site
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aaronpk (not posting in #indieweb-dev because the mechanics are not what i'm asking about)
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[schmarty] i treat it like a destination!
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[snarfed]2 same
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[snarfed]2 both because bridgy fed requires a deliberate trigger per post (which can easily be automated into all posts, granted), and because the posts are rendered separately and look different inside the fediverse than on my site
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aaronpk up until now i had treated it essentially like a copy of my home page, so if any post appeared on my home page it would also be sent out to my AP followers. but now i'm thinking i might need to treat it as a destination instead
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[snarfed]2 are you asking specifically about which posts you send? ie firehose vs just front page posts (eg no likes or replies) vs manual choice?
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gRegor I also treat it like a destination. My setup kind of requires that, since my Notes page includes replies, rsvps, etc. And not all of those make sense on Mastodon or even work with BF.
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gRegor I did think it would be neat to federate an RSVP to HWC there, to promote others joining, but the in-reply-to on the RSVP causes issues, understandably. BF looks for that as a Mastodon post I'm replying to.
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aaronpk it's more of an audience question for me vs post type
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[tantek] ^ gRegor for that specific example, I POSSE my HWC RSVPs to Twitter for precisely that reason (promote others joining). It does mean my RSVP "comment" looks a bit different (it's written to "look nice" on Twitter), however I do think it's a good reason to distribute RSVPs beyond their direct in-reply-to
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Loqi gRegor, [tantek]: can you move the tech talk (in-reply-to) to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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[tantek] oops
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[tantek] wait I meant the concept not the property. argh
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aaronpk haha
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aaronpk no hyphens then i guess
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[tantek] was going to say
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aaronpk but yeah when I post something that I syndicate to twitter, it doesn't necessarily also make sense to send it out to my AP followers
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aaronpk but then i suppose that begs the question of what should go onto my home page too
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[tantek] ok I'll be the exception, I'm treating Bridgy Fed usage as a protocol extending my site, that is "just part of my site"
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aaronpk that is how i am currently treating it right now
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[tantek] then I'm in good company 🙂
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[tantek] I did make an explicit decision to only "call" Bridgy Fed for notes, articles, photos, videos, replies. i.e. not for "likes"
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aaronpk ah right your likes are on your home page
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[tantek] that was my "v1" attempt at calling Bridgy Fed and it "worked" so I'm sticking with it for now
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[tantek] yes, my likes are on my home page because I figured out a deliberate "small" display for them that is unintrusive.
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[tantek] and especially if I like a bunch of stuff, I have code to compress them on the home page to take up even less space, even less if I like a bunch of things from the same site/author
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[tantek] that was a bunch of fun logic
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[tantek] especially with maintaining each one as its own entry (yes in the HTML)
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[tantek] (me talking about dev without talking #indieweb-dev)
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[tantek] when I get around to trying to "like" a toot, I'll have to make changes to my code to send that like to Bridgy Fed. I do have a bunch of them open in tabs so that'll happen soon-ish
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[schmarty] heh i've been thinking of making an update to Quill to add syndication options to likes so i can like toots more easily. 😄
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aaronpk oh interesting. my website handles that for me automatically so i've never needed it in quill
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aaronpk ok now i can choose whether to blast out posts
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aaronpk of course a couple hours ago i had just added a preview of my most recent few posts on my "mastodon profile page", which is now incorrect since the latest post wasn't sent to my followers 😂 https://aaronparecki.com/@aaronpk
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Loqi [preview] Aaron Parecki
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aaronpk probably edge case enough that i am going to ignore it
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aaronpk i think i'm ok with it because by that point they are looking at my website so they are in a different context than looking at their own mastodon instance
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aaronpk all these posts are public at the end of the day
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