#indieweb 2022-12-18
2022-12-18 UTC
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Starrwulfe Well I really like how you, Aaron and a few others have made your sites into a hub of sorts. I'm always getting into interesting conversations about tech and transport and am a recovering full-time journalist so I tend to strike up impromptu conversations all over the place.
# Starrwulfe I've had my own sites over the years but as social media kinda crept into the picture, most of these conversations kept happening in silos. At one point I cobbled together a relay that would funnel comments into Disqus from Twitter, Facebook and Google+ (yeah, that long ago!) but then it kinda fell off
# Starrwulfe So I gradually just stuck with Instagram as a "main SNS" point of contact and just kept rudimentary silos around I'd check ever so often -- also since my job would invariably involve maintaining the social media accounts of some large news outlets you've no doubt watched/read, I was in no mood to deal with my own stuff.
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# Starrwulfe I learned about IndieWeb in 2017 around the same time as I was learning about activity web/Diaspora/Zot etc... been playing with the tech in fits and starts but thanks to "current events" I kinda got really re-interested again lately.
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gRegor Nice, well welcome aboard. We have a friendly bot Loqi that will respond to "what is ___" by searching the wiki, which can be handy. We also have a few different chat channels for different purposes: https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels_Purposes
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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M0x3b0b[m] Heya Starrwulfe!
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "so obscure 20 people use it" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "so obscure 20 people use it is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich] I've seen a few people asking how to do it and one or two posts about it this past month, but I'm curious for the home archivists, what is the easiest way for them to download their Twitter archive and display it on a domain they own? (preferably with the t.co links replaced)
# [chrisaldrich] Do we have a name for this archival copy pattern for Twitter?
# [chrisaldrich] I'll add some links the the /Twitter page shortly.
# [chrisaldrich] Who is John Mastodon?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tweetback" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "tweetback is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# gRegor Probably doesn't need a page, just checking. Zach released https://www.zachleat.com/web/tweetback/ for archiving tweets
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[KevinMarks] The previous archive that @benward worked on could be dragged straight onto a server
# [chrisaldrich] Twitter << The Internet Archive is accepting your downloadable Twitter Archive for uploading to their site: https://help.archive.org/help/how-to-archive-your-tweets-with-the-wayback-machine/
# Loqi ok, I added "The Internet Archive is accepting your downloadable Twitter Archive for uploading to their site: https://help.archive.org/help/how-to-archive-your-tweets-with-the-wayback-machine/" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85132&oldid=85083
# [chrisaldrich] Twitter << Archival copy of Tweets on your own site https://boffosocko.com/2016/12/05/how-to-own-display-your-twitter-archive-on-your-website-in-under-10-minutes/
# Loqi ok, I added "Archival copy of Tweets on your own site https://boffosocko.com/2016/12/05/how-to-own-display-your-twitter-archive-on-your-website-in-under-10-minutes/" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85133&oldid=85132
# [chrisaldrich] It's been a while since I've done that ^^, but I suspect it would still work, though the raw archive may now have more material as barnaby indicates, so be careful dragging everything over.
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# [chrisaldrich] If I'm not wholly mistaken, would I be correct in saying that Bridgy publish takes `<abbr>` tags in original posts and turns them into "footnotes" when publishing to Mastodon?! https://hcommons.social/@chrisaldrich/109533400207775829
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[snarfed]2 Yup, looks like that's evidently how html2text converts abbrs to plain text
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# [chrisaldrich] html2text++ bridgy++
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[tantek] this is a new level of "nearly anything can get you banned" https://taylorlorenz.substack.com/p/elon-musk-banned-me-from-twitter
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# [tantek] interesting, has https://twitter.com/joinmastodon been unsuspended? I can see its tweets now (except one that "violated" — likely the one about following the Elno jet on Mastodon)
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@TwitterSupport Specifically, we will remove accounts created solely for the purpose of promoting other social platforms and content that contains links or usernames for the following platforms: Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Nostr and Post. (twitter.com/_/status/1604531265419591681)
# [KevinMarks] they're also banning linktree et al https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platforms-policy
# [tw2113_Slack_] anyone else smell desperation?
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[schmarty] They also have carve-outs with absurdly blurry lines: "In general, any type of cross-posting to our platform is not in violation of this policy, even from the prohibited sites listed above.
# [schmarty] Additionally, we allow paid advertisement/promotion for any of the prohibited social media platforms."
# [schmarty] so feel free to keep POSSE-ing content to Twitter... unless you are also linking out to said content"
# [schmarty] (and of course they will always accept money)
# [KevinMarks] Did Twitter just endorse everyone having their own domain instead of silos?
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> I don't even know where to begin.
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> I didn't have this on my Twitter Bingo card.
# [tw2113_Slack_] hopefully they don't ban linking to personal sites in the twitter content, cause then they've effectively broken social media promotion
# [KevinMarks] so is it time to set up a subdomain based linking tool, or will they nuke that too?
# M0x3b0b[m] That's part of what I'm trying to decide how to react to. I would bet long odd that they would claim when they say "mastodon" they mean the whole fediverse. *My website* is ActivityPub driven; can I link to my website and my posts or not? How much more likely am I to get in trouble if I try to OwnMyResponses? I feel like I'm one of the greyest areas and I'm kinda digging it
# [KevinMarks] are they going to ban forks of https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site
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# M0x3b0b[m] I would not bet on their having built something (yet) to follow links and try to identify Mastodon instances specifically, let alone AP support. The .social TLD wouldn't surprise me, but it seems more likely that so far they're handling specific domains and maybe pattern matching the @x@y.z pattern.
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# [KevinMarks] The point is not necessarily to enforce the rule automatically, but to be able to selectively enforce it against anyone they don't like.
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# Sly So does this mean we can no longer back link on our possed posts?
# [tw2113_Slack_] try it and see? 😛
# [KevinMarks] You can until they decide to stop, you, thats what I was getting at. https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1604549872379912192 https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1604551531226972160
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@kevinmarks Twitter has been suspending people not just for linking to webpages Musk doesn't like, but for linking to webpages that link to those. Now they're extending this to social networks and pages that link to them or imply a link. They literally just banned the entire web. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkSBTMZXoAAmc-k.png (twitter.com/_/status/1604549872379912192)
# Sly Sorry, I should’ve clarified, I’m sure they won’t prevent it from being posted, but rule-wise if that isn’t allowed based on what schmarty said
# Sly @kevinmarks gotcha
# Sly i wonder if 301s will be able to evade the rule or if they will be following the redirect all the way through
# [KevinMarks] the domain blocks on t.co follow 301s. spacekaren.sucks is blocking their UA, but it will likely be added o the ban list anyway. They already are using the malware blocking path to block competitors
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# Sly gotcha. i forgot that description and link urls were t.co’d as well
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# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> I believe I am the record holder for the longest event titles on the IndieWeb Events page over the last few years.
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> With that, I'm excited to announce we're doing a bonus HWC London / Europe this week with the theme "year in review" (documented on the events page):
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> https://events.indieweb.org/2022/12/year-in-review-themed-homebrew-website-club-europe-london-ksWIK7cHfmGK
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492>
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "I attended IndieWeb Summit 2018" https://fogknife.com/2018-06-28-i-attended-indieweb-summit-2018.html
# [schmarty] 👀
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "A bit of IndieWeb pushback" https://fogknife.com/2018-05-07-a-bit-of-indieweb-pushback.html
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "I believe in the IndieWeb. It needs to believe in itself." https://fogknife.com/2018-05-04-i-believe-in-the-indieweb-it-needs-to-believe-in-itself.html
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