#indieweb 2022-12-23

2022-12-23 UTC
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[tantek] [Michelle_Moore] there is no username. There is the domain you sign-in with
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[Michelle_Moore] [tantek] When I was experimenting with Brid.gyFed and ActivityPub I discovered I needed to get rid of the www. So if I want to fix this, should I logout and log back in with the updated URL?
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[tantek] Yes!
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[tantek] What is no-www
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Loqi no-www is a movement to deprecate use of "www." at the start of URLs as being redundant, unnecessary, and a waste of resources https://indieweb.org/no-www
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[Michelle_Moore] So why does everyone else’s identity seem to have a name and not a URL?
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[tantek] For me it shows tantek.com in the top right of the site because that’s what I used to sign-in.
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[tantek] All the /Special:RecentChanges show domains as well as authors of edits.
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[tantek] Where are you seeing “name and not a URL”?
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[snarfed]2 ah, that’s https://events.indieweb.org/ , it’s a different site/tool from the wiki
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[chrisaldrich] What is deadjournal
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "deadjournal" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "deadjournal is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich] An interesting potential affordance for UI within the fediverse: https://friend.camp/@jomc/109558328251428997
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Loqi [preview] [joanne mcneil] it's interesting how often new users begin requesting Mastodon features after they sign up. even if the requests are sometimes phrased in an entitled way, it shows they understand the experience is flexible and users/developers have more control. Com...
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[tantek] [Michelle_Moore] that is not a very friendly error message from IndieLogin!
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[tantek] What is IndieLogin
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Loqi indielogin.com is a service that developers can use to log users in to a website https://indieweb.org/IndieLogin
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[tantek] Hmm no Troubleshooting section
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[tantek] aaronpk, can you help decrypt the error message from IndieLogin in the screenshot posted above by [Michelle_Moore] ?
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[tantek] Also what does events.indieweb
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[tantek] use for displaying RSVP names?
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[tantek] [snarfed] yes events.indieweb is a separate site however it does share signin with the main domain
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[Michelle_Moore] [tantek] I did a lot of things of which I am not sure if any had anything to do with the fact that I can now log back into indieweb.org with my URL (the one without the www.) 🙂
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[Michelle_Moore] [tantek] ++
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Loqi [tantek] has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (75 in all channels)
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[Michelle_Moore] [chrisaldrich] Re the Fediverse UI and Instagram: Very interesting points. The Instagram no URLs issue has irritated me, but I have never asked for this to be added. But over here in the Mastodon and IndieWeb plugins world, I have asked “does it do” this or that or if its broken in the example with [snarfed] (Mastodon publicize authentication), then I will ask if they have reconsidered. And if someone asks how would you like
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[Michelle_Moore] anywhere, but I did just assume since it is a very large company that it was a policy to keep users on the website instead of referring them out.
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[Michelle_Moore] to work or what is your use case, such as [dshanske], I will quickly and happily provide my answer. Its not an ask, its a hope, especially since the work is an act of love. In my job, its a different story, I will ask for features persistently and ask can we invest in it or is it on the roadmap and when is the expected delivery if its on the roadmap. Specifically for Instagram, I don’t think I have ever voted up that feature
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[tantek] It also cuts down on link spam
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[KevinMarks] Interesting experiment on notifications https://medium.com/@AnalyticsAtMeta/notifications-why-less-is-more-how-facebook-has-been-increasing-both-user-satisfaction-and-app-9463f7325e7d
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://www.niemanlab.org/2022/12/this-is-the-year-of-the-rss-reader-really/
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> RSS << https://www.niemanlab.org/2022/12/this-is-the-year-of-the-rss-reader-really/
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Loqi IWDiscordRelay: we try to keep dev talk (RSS) out of this channel, can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "<c​apjamesg#4492> RSS" or similar
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barnaby what’s goin on Loqi
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[eddie] tantek: doesn’t events.IndieWeb.org use the h-card in the RSVP? Because those are webmentions, right?
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gRegor yeah, it follows /authorship-spec#Algorithm
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gRegor From either indie RSVP posts, or clicking "I'm going" if you're signed in to indieweb.org
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cambridgeport90[ Regarding that link about RSS... why aren't tools like Taproot or Aperture mentioned in there? Whoever wrote that article forgot to do their proper research.
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[snarfed]2 There are thousands of RSS/feed tools, and that article is just a relatively short editorial, it isn't trying to dive into the specifics of the product ecosystem at all
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Loqi hey cambridgeport90[, [snarfed]2, I don't mean to be a bother, but RSS seems like a better conversation for #indieweb-dev
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[snarfed]2 Eh that's debatable
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cambridgeport90[ Seeing the words "Tech investment" and feed reader in the same sentence... that scares me, because unless that's potentially handled in a certain way,we could end up with walled gardens again; so, basically trading one walled garden (i.e. Twitter) for another (i.e. some company who decides to capitalize on RSS and then make their software proprietary in some way.)
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gRegor This is cool. Site color palette changes with outside temperature in his hometown. You can preview other colors with the slider at the bottom https://joeldueck.com/
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aaronpk that's great, i want to steal that
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[tantek] snarfed, nah, format jargon has no place here, and pretending R S S is not format jargon is either denial, or nerdy nostalgia at best.
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aaronpk a good example of that is the mainstream phrase "wherever you get your podcasts" rather than like "your RSS reader". even "podcatcher" died because it was too jargony
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[snarfed]2 fair
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[tantek] this article is 💩
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[tantek] there's not going to be a resurgence of read-only readers
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[tantek] the bar has been raised. read-only readers (like email) are "work". they're not "fun" nor are they by any means "social"
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[chrisaldrich] Given some of the temperatures in the midwest I've seen this week, Joel may need to make the set point for his bottom number lower than -40 degrees. GWG, you might appreciate that feature with some of your weather works and sites.
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