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# 01:02 [tantek] do you mean you don't understand what an Outbox is or what a Universal Outbox is? "purpose" is covered to some extent in my post, like "a source of material to blog" # 01:03 [tantek] and "publish such common ideas, concepts, points once, with a permalink, and then cite that permalink rather than retyping the same thing repeatedly" gxt, benpate[m], pharalia, geoffo, heycaseywattsup[, strugee, mro, [marksuth], gRegor, gRegorLove_, rvalue and [schmarty] joined the channel
# 16:23 IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> Proton [tantek]. # 16:23 IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> The app has “Sent”. # 16:24 IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> My point being is that perhaps I may not be the only one who struggles to understand this term. # 16:24 IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> On the idea, now I think I get it, I like it. # 16:24 aaronpk frankly "outbox" is a pretty dated term in email too, since it's basically meaningless with any cloud-based email client # 16:24 IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> I would like a “universal search” that indexes my messages, blog posts, wiki pages, etc. # 16:25 IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> “a computer folder for outgoing email messages that have not yet been sent” what does this mean? 😅 # 16:25 IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> (Source: Merriam Webster) # 16:26 aaronpk when you had to dial into your email service to download and send email, but your email client would let you write and queue up messages while offline # 16:27 [snarfed] maybe phone email apps would register a bit more, they do the same thing now. but still most people probably don't think about it # 16:28 aaronpk even the gmail app on my phone abstracts away the outbox term # 16:30 aaronpk I have "Sent" and "Drafts" but nothing called "Outbox" # 16:31 aaronpk and if i hit send, the message actually shows up in my sent folder with a little spinning circle around the profile photo btrem and h3rb1 joined the channel
# 16:56 [tantek] yeah there's the weird Outbox / Sent folder distinction as I noted above to [KevinMarks] that's a plumbing/network detail # 16:57 [tantek] The popularity of Mastodon/AP has increased usage/awareness of the term "Inbox", that's one of the reasons for using the term "Outbox" # 16:58 [tantek] also these days, most apps (read: all social media and frankly maybe even Micropub clients) would actually be improved by the presence of an Outbox rather than just "failing to send/publish" if you happened to be offline or in some place with poor network connectivty # 16:58 aaronpk Does mastodon use the term inbox anywhere in the UI?? I thought it was just the protocol thing # 16:59 [tantek] "dial into your email service" may be gone, however, poor network connectivity is not # 16:59 [tantek] aaronpk, I thought I had seen it maybe in the Searchtodon description # 16:59 [tantek] because it was literally indexing everything that came into your inbox # 16:59 ross[m]12 hi all - does anyone know if there is a micropub client anywhere which lets you complete an 'mp-slug' field on an event post? Thanks # 16:59 Loqi friendly reminder [tantek], ross[m]12, it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (Micropub) # 17:00 [tantek] uh oops. not sure how we distinguish talking about Micropub clients to *use* (and features/limitations) vs protocols # 17:01 [tantek] ross[m]12, 'mp-slug' does sound like an implementation question that would be better for #indieweb-dev though bterry joined the channel
# 17:01 ross[m]12 but there is one perhaps that uses it behind the scenes in the post? # 17:02 ross[m]12 [tantek]: what if I try 'micropub-client'? # 17:03 [tantek] ross[m]12, for the #indieweb channel, the key is to phrase questions / topics from a user perspective, based on use-cases, tasks, user interfaces, avoiding underlying plumbing jjuran and [dave] joined the channel
# 17:37 IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> [tantek] I still think Universal Outbox is unnecessarily confusing. CamWebb[m] joined the channel
# 17:55 [tantek] capjamesg, do you have a better suggested term? or are you still confused by the functionality? # 17:55 [tantek] by "unnecessarily" do you mean you don't think it's useful to you gRegorLove_ joined the channel
# 17:57 capjamesg > you don't think it's useful to you - yes, and I think the word "outbox" is confusing more generally. # 17:57 capjamesg "unified Sent box" from your blog post is a great articulation. # 18:06 [tantek] yeah that's where I started, conceptually, because "Drafts & sent" is what Slack calls it in their UI # 18:07 [tantek] personal search and universal inbox are kinda orthogonal. they are complementary but they can also exist without the other # 18:07 [tantek] I liked "Outbox" because it doesn't require that an item actually be *sent* (which implies various network availability etc.) [benatwork] joined the channel
# 19:00 Loqi [preview] LIVE NOW: Homebrew Website Club Europe/London # 19:14 ross[m]12 hi all - is there an indiewebify equivalent for checking events are 'in order'? thanks geoffo joined the channel
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# 20:03 ross[m]12 thanks - will go have a look jjuran, plantroon[m]12, plantroon[m], btrem and bterry joined the channel
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IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> Proton [tantek].
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