#indieweb 2023-03-01

2023-03-01 UTC
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[aciccarello] Do we have a list of project looking for contributors?
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[tantek] aciccarello, that's more of a #indieweb-dev questions, however usually we steer people toward projects that they’re already using (or want to use) on their own website
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[KevinMarks] Is there a popup;dr page? https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/28/23618804/google-facebook-login-ads-web-design-hell
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[tantek] sorta? we have
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[tantek] what is login wall
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Loqi login wall (AKA login gate, authwall, or auth wall) is a UI antipattern used by some silos like Medium to prompt returning users with a login UI, sometimes after some number of viewed pages, that blocks viewing or using the site until the user has logged in https://indieweb.org/login_wall
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[tantek] hah that Verge article is a ride. so many quotables
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[KevinMarks] It's very good
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[KevinMarks] login wall << https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/28/23618804/google-facebook-login-ads-web-design-hell “One of the major problems with salesbros is that they think “always be closing” is a mantra to live by because they didn’t understand the point of Glengarry Glen Ross, which is that salespeople are nightmares. That’s why there’s always some silly pop-up chat at the bottom of every website now.”
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/28/23618804/google-facebook-login-ads-web-design-hell “One of the major problems with salesbros is that they think “always be closing” is a mantra to live by because they didn’t understand the point of Glengarry Glen Ross, which is that salespeople are nightmares. That’s why there’s always some silly pop-up chat at the bottom of every website now.”" to the "See Also" section of /login_wall https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=86834&oldid=86296
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[tantek] I mean I would have put that quote on /business-model but yeah
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[timothy_chambe] Bluesky seems to be in beta launch: https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/28/jack-dorsey-backed-twitter-alternative-bluesky-hits-the-app-store-as-an-invite-only-app/
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[tantek] From [benatwork]'s February article links, this seems quite applicable both to the benefit (establishing reputation) and risks (providing training models) to writing on your own site: https://www.pcmag.com/news/sci-fi-mag-pauses-submissions-amid-flood-of-ai-generated-short-stories
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[jacky] stuff like this is why I really hate this chatgpt era. what (most) people think of as a toy is going to make work harder (for writers of all types) not b/c it's producing it but the extra effort of moderation that comes with it
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[jacky] same with stable diffusion
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[tantek] um, I don't know how to say this kindly, ChatGPT is going to replace A LOT of writers, especially thing that are small / generic like marketing copy.
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aaronpk it's very good at specific things like following patterns, which sounds an awful lot like how other kinds of automation have replaced people previously doing that work
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[jacky] I could go on a rant about this but 💢
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[tantek] the problem is that there's A LOT of mediocre writing out there, and has been tolerated as such a low bar for so long, that it is absolutely vulnerable to being replaced by what folks used to call "a small shell script"
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[tantek] aaronpk, indeed, a lot of such work (mostly) follows "known" patterns that "work". advertising, marketing, sales.
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aaronpk I don't see anything wrong with automating that. save the human brain power to solve more interesting problems and be creative
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[tantek] sure, easy to say that from a coder perspective 🙂 that doesn't mean whole swaths of people who have careers in those areas aren't going to find themselves effectively either replaced, or paid less as a result
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aaronpk like every wave of automation in the past 🤷‍♂️
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[jacky] I think my response is going to be kinda off-topic (and I didn't mean to bring it off)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I’ll move my thoughts to #chat.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> HWC London / Europe starting in 3 mins.
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[jacky] pro-indieweb _vibes_ https://mastodon.social/@mshelton/109949518287521305
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Loqi [preview] [Martin] This past few months at the other site has me convinced organizations should 100% do whatever they need to do to build outreach capacity independently from social media sites. Make a newsletter, a zine, a big Signal group, whatever you want. But it s...
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> angelo https://events.indieweb.org/2023/03/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-OPRtJUexe9e9
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Loqi [preview] LIVE NOW: Homebrew Website Club Europe/London
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