#indieweb 2023-03-08

2023-03-08 UTC
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aaronpk so twitter's character limit is 280, bluesky is 256, and mastodon is 500. do I need to show three different character counters in Quill??
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aaronpk also twitter's limit treats URLs as a fixed length due to t.co, but I'm assuming bluesky counts every char in the URL, so hooboy
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[snarfed]1 Also twitter's is now 4k if you have Blue 🤡
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[snarfed]1 https://snarfed.org/2015-11-29_keep-bridgy-publish-dumb 🦆
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[tantek] aaronpk, I believe I have some brainstorming on that "show three different character counters"
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[tantek] https://indieweb.org/Falcon#Design_POSSE_truncations_display
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/2023/03/07162400-6031.png
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[tantek] 😂
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[snarfed]1 "NASCAR counters"
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aaronpk yup
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[snarfed]1 ultimate challenge: can you combine URLs, mentions, variable-width Unicode chars, and other quirks to make all three show the same number
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[snarfed]1 the ultimate cursed post
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aaronpk 😂😂
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aaronpk someone will do that
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[tantek] y tho. I actually care less about the character count vs previewing what the post will look like on each destination
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aaronpk yea but that's harder and also more cluttered
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aaronpk also i don't have the pieces lined up to do that with my site, since my site will transform an @-name from my nickname cache into the actual twitter @-username, but Quill doesn't know about that transformation. so i'd need to wire that up first. (and yes this means the char counter is potentially wrong but it's good enough for most things)
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aaronpk if i cared enough about that, i think i would make it so that I always preview any POSSE post from my site itself, rather than use the syndication buttons that quill provides
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[snarfed]1 is that doable generically with post-status=draft and then opening the returned Location?
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aaronpk or even just post it publicly, but no auto syndication
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aaronpk it's the syndication that i want to preview, not the post itself
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[snarfed]1 makes me wish more silos had "preview" APIs like GitHub's that renders its markdown
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aaronpk oh yeah that's handy
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[aciccarello] I wish I could have a button to autofill instagram's post UI with content I just posted from my site.
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[aciccarello] Kinda like a 2 click syndication. 1) Open share to Instagram 2) Post
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aaronpk oh yeah that too
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aaronpk twitter has that actually
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[aciccarello] I was wondering if Twitter did. Instagram's web UI seems limited given they didn't prioritize it for a long time.
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[snarfed]1 sounds like time for a browser extension
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[aciccarello] True! That could work for the posting flow. Then I'd need to update my site with the syndication URL. Possibly via micropub??
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aaronpk that could be fun
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[aciccarello] I definitely need to get micropub working on my site before I target anything like that.
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Loqi friendly reminder [aciccarello], we try to keep dev talk (Micropub) out of this channel, can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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aaronpk "fun"
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[aciccarello] Sorry for repeating that word Loqi
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[aciccarello] Gives loqi a cookie
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Loqi crushes the cookie
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[aciccarello] 💔 😢
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[aciccarello] I see Loqi doesn't take bribes
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aaronpk gives Loqi a bribe
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Loqi eats the bribe
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[tantek] "preview" is the point of such a UI yes
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[tantek] that's what my posting UI does now, it shows a preview of what will be POSSE'd to Twitter, with links, characters etc.
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gRegor hah, is bluesky's icon really just a blue square?
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gRegor what is bluesky
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Loqi bluesky is a project proposed by Jack Dorsey, Twitter CEO, to “develop an open and decentralized standard for social media – The goal is for Twitter to ultimately be a client of this standard.” https://indieweb.org/bluesky
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aaronpk that's their favicon anyway
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gRegor Ah, close, it's got small birds (on the site at least)
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gRegor I mean, it fits the name
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[aciccarello] I think there's a gradient too, right?
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gRegor Yeah
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[KevinMarks] https://warrenellis.ltd/isles/how-to-build-a-blog-without-social-media/
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[tantek] [KevinMarks]++ good find. Another post very much worth IndieNewsing
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[tantek] social media << How not to: 2023-03-07 [https://warrenellis.ltd/isles/how-to-build-a-blog-without-social-media/ How To Build A Blog Without Social Media] <blockquote>If Twitter in 2018 didn’t hold any pleasure for me, Masto and Post aren’t going to get me in 2023. And with the changes to Twitter, it seems to many people like they’re technically shadowbanned if they don’t cough up for Blue. There is an argument for using social me
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[tantek] syndication engine, but honestly, right now, I don’t see that game as being worth the candle.</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "How not to: 2023-03-07 [https://warrenellis.ltd/isles/how-to-build-a-blog-without-social-media/ How To Build A Blog Without Social Media] <blockquote>If Twitter in 2018 didn’t hold any pleasure for me, Masto and Post aren’t going to get me in 2023. And with the changes to Twitter, it seems to many people like they’re technically shadowbanned if they don’t cough up for Blue. There is an argument for using social me" to the "See Also" section of /social_media https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=86908&oldid=86121
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[KevinMarks] This is also interesting https://alpaca.gold/@seldo/109983141178355153
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[tantek] what is chronological timeline
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Loqi chronological timeline is a redundant phrase (timelines are inherently chronological, because they are *time*lines) used to refer to a chronological feed https://indieweb.org/chronological_timeline
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[tantek] chronological timeline << Advantages: more interesting and less addictive: https://alpaca.gold/@seldo/109983141178355153
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Loqi ok, I added "Advantages: more interesting and less addictive: https://alpaca.gold/@seldo/109983141178355153" to the "See Also" section of /chronological_timeline https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=86913&oldid=51351
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[snarfed]1 new bluesky v1.6 launched, has the full UI for "use your domain as your username"
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[schmarty] neat!
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[tantek] that is definitely worth posting some screenshots
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[tantek] especially if it's something we want to encourage other services to adopt
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[tantek] as a feature/UI
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capjamesg HWC London / Europe is in 5 mins.
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capjamesg https://events.indieweb.org/2023/03/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-yLkITTN7FFGO
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aaronpk only one day for my blog post to be obsolete haha
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[tantek] that's some good turnaround!
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[tantek] also a good excuse to make a new post with screenshots 🙂
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[jacky] ha
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[jacky] tantek's hungry for the screenshots 🙂
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[jacky] what's that saying? "post pix"
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[jacky] is curious as well
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[jacky] being iOS-less does come with a drawback, I guess
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[tantek] pix or it didn't ship 😛
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[tantek] jacky, that was always a good use-case for an iPod touch
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[snarfed]1 yeah I'm using it on the kid's iPad, which doesn't really have access to anything else 🤷
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