#indieweb 2023-04-11

2023-04-11 UTC
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[timothy_chambe] https://twitter.com/kossnocorp/status/1645255399875174400?s=46&t=SJq9hij4JmK6nQhFUm559w
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@kossnocorp In light of recent Twitter changes, going further, I'm going to focus on mediums that I 100% control. Meaning my own Mastodon instance, self-hosted blog, and newsletter. It sucks investing a decade into Twitter and having to pay so I can reach my friends. (twitter.com/_/status/1645255399875174400)
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[timothy_chambe] https://www.verifiedjournalist.org/
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[timothy_chambe] Take a look at these two web applications, obviously using the same code for each. I may be in a position to offer some thoughts on development of these further. Are there any things they could add here to be more Indieweb friendly?
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[timothy_chambe] https://www.lawstodon.org/
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[tantek] what is friendly?
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Loqi IndieWeb friendly refers to online services interoperating by supporting open formats, protocols, and IndieWeb building-blocks as well as enabling users to transition to their own personal sites, and an implementation guide for social networks to interconnect with the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/friendly
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[tantek] [timothy_chambe] how do those web apps stack up according to the How section there ^ ? https://indieweb.org/friendly#How — those are good basics to start with, and then we can work on figuring out what makes sense for their individual use-cases
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corlaez what is static.app
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "static.app" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "static.app is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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corlaez static.app is a hosting solution for static sites. It offers a drag and drop publishing mechanism and provides a subdomain, SSL certificates, and an online editor. A free tier is available. https://static.app
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] neat
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[tantek] well I got to 36 posts in the first 100 days of 2023. I will keep going up to 100 posts
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[tantek] 36 IndieWeb related posts
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Amazing!
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [tantek]++
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[tantek] it was supposed to be post 100 on day 100 but life happens
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[snarfed] tantek++
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[snarfed] Fediforum session notes are up: https://fediforum.org/2023-03/
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[pfefferle] oh nice
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capjamesg FediForum << Notes from the 2023-03 sessions: https://fediforum.org/2023-03/
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Loqi ok, I added "Notes from the 2023-03 sessions: https://fediforum.org/2023-03/" to the "See Also" section of /FediForum https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87416&oldid=87358
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[snarfed] Tried Substack Notes just now. It seems...fine
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[snarfed] https://substack.com/profile/139086417-ryan
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[KevinMarks] Substack always times out on my phone
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[KevinMarks] I think their CDN is fighting with something on my machine. For posts I can hit x and get it as html usually
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capjamesg https://on.substack.com/p/notes
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capjamesg This is interesting.
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[tantek] missed opportunity to call them subus updates. maybe not
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[tantek] or substus updates
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[schmarty] subtweets
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[chrisbergr] stackies
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[KevinMarks] Notes is the correct indieweb name, now they need to fix the markup
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capjamesg Stackies sounds like a breakfast cereal.
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capjamesg A delicious breakfast cereal.
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capjamesg The quote at the top of this page feels relevant: https://book.stevejobsarchive.com/
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capjamesg "But one of the ways that I believe people express their appreciation to the rest of humanity is to make something wonderful and put it out there. And you never meet the people. You never shake their hands. You never hear their story or tell yours. But somehow, in the act of making something with a great deal of care and love, something’s transmitted there."
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[tantek] That's a good quote yeah
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[tantek] what is a creator
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Loqi 🛠️ A creator on the IndieWeb is someone who owns their domain, uses it as their primary identity on the web, and creates (content, design, user experience, or code) for that personal site, openly sharing at least some of those creations https://indieweb.org/Creator
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[tantek] capjamesg, want to add that to https://indieweb.org/creator#Why after the other two quotes?
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capjamesg Done :)
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[tantek] thank you!
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[jacky] whew these indiepass updates look amazing [marksuth]
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[marksuth] Thanks [jacky] !
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capjamesg [marksuth]++
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gRegor what is indiepass?
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Loqi Indigenous is a set of native apps for iOS, Android currently in beta that supports posting your website using Micropub and a built-in reader that supports Microsub and ActivityPub (Android only) https://indieweb.org/IndiePass
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rossmcd wondering if anyone has advice on using 'notes' versus 'reviews' to record thoughts on coffee for example - as I could not find an example of review on the wiki Micropub page but could find examples of 'watch' and 'play' etc?
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[snarfed] rossmcd looks like https://indieweb.org/review has lots of examples?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I prefer to write notes for coffees.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> They are too variable to write a representative, canonical review for.
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[snarfed] h-review microformats specifically may be rare, but I don't know that we have any consuming implementations, so arguably skip that for now, and/or move to #microformats
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Breakfast and Coffee!!!
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> 😅
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://breakfastand.coffee
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rossmcd thanks all - off to seek inspiration based on what you have kindly shared with me
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rossmcd hmmm - and thinking about it I like the idea of notes - multi purpose and I am not 'reviewing' a coffee as such as trying to make a note that I subjectively liked it (that sits well in my mind at least:-))
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[tantek] good to start with a note with your immediate thoughts, less structured
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[tantek] you can always write a more structured review later, based on that note
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rossmcd thanks - useful advice
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I used to write longer reviews of coffee.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://jamesg.blog/2021/01/22/fcp-juan-vergara-review/
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[tantek] This is pretty cool: https://twitter.com/netdivermag/status/1645782306618060801
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@netdivermag @t Wowie this so exciting tho I was dormant in past few years (health is ok) I am getting ready for a new publishing project and indie as you know is important to me. May I ping you to ask questions or url to how I can participate? (twitter.com/_/status/1645782306618060801)
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[tantek] Carole is one of the three co-founders of independentsday .org — site long gone by documented here: https://indieweb.org/Independents_Day
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[tantek] launched almost 22 years ago
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benpate[m] Yeah. Times change. Maybe the winds are right for another try?
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benpate[m] I think we need more open / self hosted / professionally supported options like WordPress. WP itself makes me sad, but the model is spot on.
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[tantek] Is the model spot-on? Or are such models inevitably doomed down the path of B2B driven designs more for "enterprise" than for independent users? (Since that's where chasing revenue growth leads such models)
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[schmarty] Automattic has definitely been pushing WordPress to compete against sitebuilders like Squarespace and Wix for the last few years.
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benpate[m] Specifically, I think that this works: open source, that anyone can host (including other service providers) + an in-house hosting option.
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benpate[m] Anything less, and you have a hodgepodge that will struggle to win in the market. Anything more and you have VC corporate overlords.
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[tantek] hodgepodge++ plurality++
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[tantek] Why presume "win in the market" is a goal?
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[tantek] no single software solution should "win in the market", that's the /monoculture antipattern
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benpate[m] Not necessarily financially, but “mindshare-ily”. For anything to replace Twitter (and the rest) they’ll need to be BETTER than corp-media in the eyes of regular users.
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benpate[m] Sorry if I’m off topic, I’m in two Matrix chats right now, and moonlighting as a pirate in video game. Just vanquished a bunch of skeletons ;)
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[tantek] nah, you just need humbler more sustainable solutions to outlast the inevitable implosion of corporate/VC owned "solutions".
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[tantek] anyway yeah this is more #indieweb-chat, unless you're using WordPress for your personal site and looking to improve it in which case #indieweb-wordpress is more appropriate
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benpate[m] 💯 I’m humbler and more sustainable :)