#indieweb 2023-04-17

2023-04-17 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Blogging’s emotional obstacles" https://tracydurnell.com/2023/04/16/bloggings-emotional-obstacles/
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[tantek] ooh that sounds good from the slug
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[tantek] blogging << 2023-04-16 {{tracydurnell}} [https://tracydurnell.com/2023/04/16/bloggings-emotional-obstacles/ Blogging’s emotional obstacles]
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Loqi ok, I added "2023-04-16 {{tracydurnell}} [https://tracydurnell.com/2023/04/16/bloggings-emotional-obstacles/ Blogging’s emotional obstacles]" to the "See Also" section of /blogging https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87500&oldid=86072
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Great post tracydurnell[d]!
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[tantek] wow if you're not watching the btconf live stream you should be!
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[tantek] the first talk just started and it's super core IndieWeb :pleading_face:
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Link?
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[tantek] have to dig for it
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[tantek] ahh looks like it's in the "Vito hub, our plattform for the live stream"
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[chrisbergr] They are selling a streaming pass, so there would not be a free live stream I guess. https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/dusseldorf-2023/tickets
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Thanks for sharing!
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[chrisbergr] I've never been to a btconf, but I find the prices relatively high. Are these normal prices, as one can expect at comparable events?
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[tantek] it's a pretty special event, and from what I have seen, the conference prices are actually very competitive compared to similar conferences, and much higher quality (and very good community)
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[chrisbergr] Okay, thank you for your insight/classification
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[tantek] they also post the videos of past talks online for free, so you can get an idea of the talks
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[tantek] ^ exactly that
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[Murray] Yeah that would be on the cheaper end of the "professional" conferences that we see in the UK/EU a fair bit. Still not cheap, but I've seen worse speaker lists look for 2x-6x those prices
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mk37[m] Nice. First time I've heard of it. Any recommendations of events like this in USA?
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[chrisbergr] Phew, okay 🙂 I also have to admit that I rarely know so many speakers by name as I do here.
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[tantek] mk37[m] — An Event Apart is probably the closest to a similar event in the US, also run by top notch longterm open web / independent web folks
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[tantek] oh no they just ended it? https://aneventapart.com/
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mk37[m] Aw that sucks. I read most of their articles back when they first started and lost touch. But never been to their events.
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[tantek] yeah I think it's another loss to the pandemic unfortunately
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[tantek] also it had a very long run
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[tantek] and hard to keep that kind of thing going, especially trying to at least break-even as a business
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sknebel right. commercial events have a bunch of costs community/volunteer-run don't, and if they need to stand alone vs being a "marketing expense" of some bigco that needs to come from somewhere (which also partially explains why the prices for superficially similar "2 day conference" events vary so widely)
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sknebel (events targeted at professionals of course also have an element of "your employer probably pays your ticket", but I dont think the mentioned examples are among those that try to max that out)
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[tantek] commercial events are pretty much the only way to get "speaker lists" where you "know so many speakers by name" — because it costs money for speakers to go to such conferences, costs them time to prepare talks (thus they should be paid for that labor) etc.
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[tantek] you can't expect / won't get that from "community/volunteer-run" events
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[tantek] at best you get something like we've pulled off for IndieWeb Summits — lightning talks from community members, curated by organizers who are all donating their time to the community
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sknebel depends. they are a different list of people certainly
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[tantek] and I can share that it takes A LOT of donated time to pull that sort of thing off
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[tantek] no, it doesn't depend. this is literally 100% empirical
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[tantek] OSBridge got *very close* to bridging that gap, but that too was unsustainable 😞
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I can’t recommend Beyond Tellerrand enough.
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[chrisbergr] So for me that's perfectly fine. Of course, the speakers also have to be paid. I just didn't have a comparison, hence my original question.
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[chrisbergr] I don't even want to imagine the effort involved in setting up something this big. As a paramedic at the Red Cross in Germany, I know a number of the safety concepts that have to run in the background.
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[KevinMarks] One pattern that used to work well is the parallel Barcamp - holding a Barcamp alongside a big conference, and some of the speakers showing up to both. When I was paid by employers to go to these kind of tech conferences and speak I'd always look for the parallel community events
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sknebel [chrisbergr]: can't find numbers for one of the smaller events, but e.g. last CCC congress (much larger, thousands of participants, more days) had > 13000 volunteer hours tracked (and thats just whats tracked - so not counting nearly anything not happening on-site). thats a pretty big number of work a commercial event would need to pay for
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[chrisbergr] Glad that there are actually people who want to be organizers 🙂
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[tantek] so it seems there is no longer an equivalent or comparable US conference
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[tantek] honestly we have found it harder to organizer an IndieWebCamp in the US than in Europe since the pandemic started
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sknebel and all(?) the EU ones piggybacked on btconfs, right?
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[tantek] all since 2020, before that maybe 1/3?
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[tantek] see https://indieweb.org/cities
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[tantek] we had many standalone UK/EU IndieWebCamps, e.g. Brighton, Utrecht, many (most?) in Berlin, and we had many adjacent e.g. Amsterdam (MozFest), Düsseldorf & Nürnberg (btconf), Berlin (some btconf)
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[tantek] While I'm here I'm looking into potential venues for Berlin in September
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[tantek] sknebel, if you're around/interested please add yourself! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Berlin
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sknebel yes, meant since 2020
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[tantek] the first few years of IndieWebCamps were *all* adjacent to conferences (OSBridge in Portland, dConstruct in Brighton)
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[tantek] anyway we can move conference talk to #indieweb-meta — I meant to get the IndieWeb related talk / topic / stream here in #indieweb but didn't intend to tangent into conference planning here
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Native HTML5 captions and titles for audio content with WebVTT" https://martymcgui.re/2017/10/17/native-html5-captions-and-titles-for-audio-content-with-webvtt/
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[schmarty] That's not new!
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35599976
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Loqi [preview] [gavinhoward] I am a blogger, and I'll stay a blogger even with GPT stuff. I agree. As bloggers continue to link only to good stuff between them, those blogs will become infinitely more valuable than the flood of trash that people will post from GPT. It seems hope...
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[tantek] that would have been better as a blog post than a comment on HackerNews
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[tantek] speaking of good blog posts, about blogging
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[tantek] tracydurnell++ for https://tracydurnell.com/2023/04/16/bloggings-emotional-obstacles/
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capjamesg tracydurnell++
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bkil tracydurnell[d]: Let me answer your question in the article. Assuming that whatever you blog about is something crystallized by input data you have read from web pages yourself, you could actually skip the middle man (Google). Just install a (sanitizing & compressing) caching web proxy, configure all of your devices to use it. Then configure this cache as input to your YaCy indexer. You can then query solely using YaCy offline. Bonus points is that some trending
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bkil SEO-bait won't creep into your article, i.e., only links you have personally opened can be linked.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I think that is a discussion to have in #dev.
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[tantek] capjamesg++ indeed, I don't understand the diving into "back end" plumbing applicability to Tracy's article.
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IWDiscordRelay <k​aeldra#8403> Thanks capjamesg[d] tantek 😊
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[jeremycherfas] “Just” install a what?
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[snarfed] exactly
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[tantek] yeah, we're gonna need to add to the jargon page
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capjamesg "just"?
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capjamesg +1 if so
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capjamesg Hm maybe that's too far.
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capjamesg Sorry, I have issues with "just" :D
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[schmarty] capjamesg: we definitely encourage folks not to use "just"/"simply"/etc around here. i can't seem to find specifics on the wiki but there's some good chat about it! https://chat.indieweb.org/2021-03-29#t1616977040780000
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capjamesg https://chat.indieweb.org/2021-03-29#t1616978082379100 :P
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Loqi [preview] [[scojjac]] "all you have to do is" reset the flux capacitor
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bkil I would have sworn that it was on microformats.org but can't find it now.
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bkil Found it: https://developers.google.com/style/word-list#just
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[tantek] I blogged about it too
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[tantek] https://tantek.com/2021/087/t3/basically-just-simply-obscure
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[tantek] See the Twitter threads on that
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] Are there other words like: "basically" "just" "simply" used in explanations/instructions to obscure actual complexity or difficulty? Is there a name for such words? They often shame the reader as a side-effect (if it’s not easy, it must be my fa...
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bkil Sorry, I chose to not use Twitter.
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[schmarty] several of the replies from twitter made it into the chat log linked earlier thanks to Loqi.
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bkil 👌
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capjamesg Blog post coming up.
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capjamesg [tantek] https://jamesg.blog/2023/04/17/technical-communication/
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Loqi [preview] [James] Implicitly downplaying knowledge in technical communication
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[tantek] capjamesg++
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> This post has been a long time coming.
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