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#[tantek]capjamesg asked me to ask a good question for general consideration, and since it has #indieweb implications I am re-asking here:
#[tantek]What are your [#indieweb] dreams for the web?
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#sebbuinteraction between online services / softwares
#sebbufor example, when i listen to music stream on twitch, or watch music clips (or someone singing or playing a song), i want it to appear in my last.fm account history (or some other similar site)
#sebbubut they don't always advertise what song is playing, so it might require to use shazam or soundhound (and i didn't find a way to export my data from the 2nd one)
#sebbualso, i want notes & reminders to be standardized (VJOURNAL exists, but almost nobody uses it), so every note or reminder app use their own implementation if they allow sync
#sebbuwhether it's the native ios notes or reminder app, google keep, evernote, etc... they should be synced automatically just by adding a webcal account
#sebbu(and we should stop differenciating caldav and carddav, a single webdav account should be enough for all)
#Loqisebbu: that's a lot of dev jargon! implementation, CardDAV... can you move to #indieweb-dev?
#sebbuthoses 3 sync currently works great, natively, on mobile os
#sebbubut it's the other native apps i'ld want to sync :)
#[tantek]sebbu, the use-cases are good to discuss, and as Loqi is reminding us, no need to (it's a distraction to) jump to plumbing discussions/issues
#[tantek]the IndieWeb approach to "when I listen to something over hear, I want it to show up in this other place" is to use your own website as the centerpoint of keeping track of all the information, then distributing/broadcasting it to where you want to publish it
#[tantek]in your example, listening to a music stream on Twitch, or watching a music clip (maybe on YouTube), the key there is having something in your website that can see those listens and views and incorporate them into a stream of listens/views on your own website
#[tantek]once you have that working, you can point to your own website directly instead of pointing people to http://last.fm
#aaronpki never did figure out how i want to represent scrobbles on my own website
#LoqiShazam is a music (and television) bookmarking and discovery silo service that operates by listening to ambient sound via an app to identify the content to enable both identification and bookmarking https://indieweb.org/Shazam
#sebbubecause i'ld know the channel and title, but not the individual songs (author & title)
#aaronpki'm not even at the text stage, i mean like do i even want each scrobble to be a "post" or not
#[tantek]^ is there a way you can capture what's missing in an Issue there?
#[tantek]I have this challenge even with "just" using Strava to record physical activities
#aaronpki have one post per "trip", and that also implies that if i'm just walking a short distance like under 3 blocks I don't post it at all
#[tantek]where I ended up is to use one Strava activity to record all walks in a day that are uninterrupted by some other physical activity. so if I go on a bicycle ride, or a run, I "end" any walking activity that has been collecting my walking for the day, post it, and then record a new activity for that new type of activity
#[tantek]this way even short trips (like 3 blocks) get aggregated into a longer walk of maybe 1-2 miles (or more)
#aaronpkoh yeah if i switch modes within one trip those turn into separate posts
#[tantek]It's likely someone at Strava is working on a way to represent a multi-sport activity as one post, with separate stages/phases
#[tantek]sebbu, and on your own website it can be!
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#[KevinMarks]the Now Playing magic feature on Google Pixel is good, but it's all local so hard to export (you can turn it into a Youtube Music playlist, but you have to select all the songs by hand)
#sebbui don't have a youtube music subscription, and not all songs are on it (i mean, even when i watch official music clips, with channel = author & name in the title, some have the song info under the description, some don't)
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#[aciccarello]My dream for the web would be that I could keep up with family members' activities without being redirected towards other content. Instagram and Facebook feel like such attention traps.
#[snarfed][aciccarello] hell yes, agreed, that's one big reason I built and ran instagram-atom/facebook-atom for so long
#[aciccarello]Instagram-atom was so nice until meta cracked down 😞
#Loqihey [snarfed] [aciccarello]: it looks like this conversation is getting pretty technical (ATOM), can you take it to #indieweb-dev?
#[tantek]the names are fine for what the services do! they're low(er) level services!
#[tantek]someone could build something more UI click & activate on top of something like that
#[snarfed]I guess. they were aspirationally aimed at end users, but yeah, in practice not very well
#[tantek]they're kind of in the middle-ground of things "end users" can use if someone dev-leaning helps them set it up
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#sebbui liked when facebook had a .ics calendar file/url, so that i could easily follow my contacts' birthdates without using the app
#sebbuand i could also add group events directly from the app, and they appeared in it
#sebbu(now the app is a "connector", and that's the only way other than scrapping the website)
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#[tantek]sebbu, you can enable daily email notifications of your friends birthdays. while not ideal, it is one way of following contacts's birthdays without using the app
#[tantek]I've slowly been migrating such notifications to my own local Contacts so that they show up in my personal Calendar in following years
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