#indieweb 2023-06-28
2023-06-28 UTC
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[tantek] This seemed IndieWeb relevant, especially since it has many points about the year 2011 as a high-point of sorts, which was when we launched IndieWebCamp: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/
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bkil The Atlantic article is jumping back and forth in the chronology. The Fediverse was started on 2008-07-02 and soon gained millions of users because quite a few began to see where Twitter and Facebook were going, so the article seems to omit a few relevant facts from earlier.
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# [tantek] Do you have a citation for "Fediverse was started on 2008-07-02" either conceptually or the term being introduced? Wikipedia / fediverse just says 2008. And in particular, I remember back then with OStatus no one was using the term 'fediverse' – IIRC it didn't exist as a term until early 2010s at best.
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[0x3b0b] I think you're right about the timing; if I remember correctly the term was coined to distinguish the OStatus-speaking network from Diaspora, but I'm only finding one article from 2018 that makes the same assertion without a useful citation. If I remember correctly, I first came across the term either between when pump.io was announced and when Identica switched to it or shortly after that switch, but that doesn't help narrow it down any.
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[KevinMarks] That was the identica launch date https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identi.ca
# [KevinMarks] It was built on Activity Streams and Atom etc, which was rechristened OStatus
# [KevinMarks] Before that we had vague branding as Open Stack
# [KevinMarks] Fair
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# [KevinMarks] I'm hiding in a mad micropub in town from the rain. Not sure I can join HWC
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "so mad about the micropub" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "so mad about the micropub is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# [KevinMarks] It's in a terraced house in town and half the staff can't work the till. Nice spot, but a bit odd
# bkil [tantek] aaronpk GNU Social (Laconica -> StatusNet ->) was and still is a fediverse interoperable leg within multi-protocol servers such as Friendica and Hubzilla https://chat.indieweb.org/2023-05-16#t1684246762808900 I can't name anything remotely similar before OpenMicroBlogging.
# bkil I'm using the term "Fediverse" loosely, because in the early days, The Federation lived a separate and unbridged evolution until multi-protocol servers gained traction. By "Fediverse", I mean interoperable self-hostable FOSS microblogging solutions using open protocols that federate (allows carrying your identity) and supporting optional shared hosting multi-tenancy for easier scaling and thus adoption by the masses. Gives Loqi something to chew on.
# bkil My original comment was not about The Atlantic article failing to mention this (this is indeed technical and belongs in #dev). What I am missing is that they did not speak about events that happened between Twitter and Facebook started to scale up until the community decided in 2008 that we must start to compete with them and give people a choice to own their data.
# [tantek] bkil please see prev message: https://chat.indieweb.org/2023-06-28/1687968188546200
# bkil Please my last message. I would not like to discuss related jargon further.
# bkil What I would like to discuss is the non-jargon part, and that belongs here.
# [KevinMarks] Some good posts on emoji and text embeddings from Instagram https://instagram-engineering.com/tagged/emoji
# bkil [tantek]: So what events led up to people deciding that they want to own their data in 2008?
# bkil I could not find an answer here https://indieweb.org/timeline
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# [KevinMarks] 2008 was when Facebook roach motel tactics first became really obvious
# bkil Oh. If you have any links, could you perhaps add it to https://indieweb.org/facebook ?
# bkil I think the inspiration was more Twitter than Facebook, though. To this day, alternatives to the former are much more popular than to the latter.
# [KevinMarks] Twitter's first closing came in 2010 after Chirp
# bkil Something must have been in the air around that time https://indieweb.org/twitter#See_Also "2007-era prototype personal Twitter clone by aaronpk "
# [snarfed] example dates on https://indieweb.org/own_your_data#gRegor_Morrill and below
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capjamesg Glitch seems to have a new home page. Very IndieWeb. https://glitch.com/
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