#indieweb 2023-08-30

2023-08-30 UTC
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[snarfed] unlisted++ (re private posts; imho unlisted can be 50-80% of the value with 5% of the work)
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Loqi unlisted has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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aaronpk My problem with unlisted is that *i* want to be able to find them again. So even if the post is just unlisted, I still need to make a search/browse interface that only I can see, and at that point that's most of the work of making the post also private
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[snarfed] maybe most of the work for yourself, but not most of the work for sharing it, AutoAuth (?) etc, right?
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[snarfed] grep until it hurts 😎
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aaronpk yeah i'm not sure what stage 2 of this looks like yet, but i think i have a clear enough path to private posts and private search that i'll get enough value out of that
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[snarfed] fair! yeah the real power of unlisted is in sharing them, not in creating or finding them
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GWG [snarfed]: I'm still tempted by Ticket Auth over autoAuth. It seems so much less complicated
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[jacky] TicketAuth makes the most sense to me as well
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GWG I'm going to bed, but would love a ticket auth chat another time,. perhaps in -dev
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c​apjamesg [tantek] This is relevant to the discussion on tools that do things in the browser: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37308267
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c​apjamesg This tool is really neat!
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c​apjamesg https://esif.dev/
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c​apjamesg Good site by zachleat
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[snarfed] what's the old internet adage about how frequently the average group (mailing lists/newsgroups in that era) ends up talking about its own moderation instead of its topic? really hard to search for
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[snarfed] (not inspired by chat here or anything related)
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[KevinMarks] Was that one of Clay Shirky's?
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[KevinMarks] https://web.archive.org/web/20030713130936/http://shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html
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[snarfed] Maybe! I vaguely remember a different name but not sure
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[KevinMarks] Geoff Cohen has a great observation about this. He said "The likelihood that any unmoderated group will eventually get into a flame-war about whether or not to have a moderator approaches one as time increases."
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[KevinMarks] > So there's this question "What is required to make a large, long-lived online group successful?" and I think I can now answer with some confidence: "It depends." I'm hoping to flesh that answer out a little bit in the next ten years.
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[KevinMarks] all other citations I can find for Cohen's law quote Shirky
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[KevinMarks] though he has a book out https://www.geoffreylcohen.com/book
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c​apjamesg We are starting HWC in 8 minutes online: 30 mins earlier than usual. https://events.indieweb.org/2023/08/homebrew-website-club-edinburgh-europe--59SQLU7DRWm0
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[KevinMarks] this feels worth wikifying, but I'm not sure where to put it to be findable again
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[KevinMarks] I could email Cohen and ask for a source I suppose.
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[KevinMarks] found it http://www.coherenceengine.com/blog/2003/04/everything-in-unmoderation-at-clay.html
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[KevinMarks] OK, I think that's enough for an entry
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[KevinMarks] what is Cohen's law?
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[KevinMarks] what is Cohen’s law?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Cohen’s law" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Cohen’s law is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[KevinMarks] Cohen’s law is "The likelihood that any unmoderated group will eventually get into a flame-war about whether or not to have a moderator approaches one as time increases."
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Loqi ok
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AramZS Oh wow, https://esif.dev/ is great
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[KevinMarks] Cohen’s law << Geoff Cohen has written a book on Belonging to groups https://www.geoffreylcohen.com/book
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Loqi ok, I added "Geoff Cohen has written a book on Belonging to groups https://www.geoffreylcohen.com/book" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Cohen%E2%80%99s_law https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89152&oldid=89151
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[KevinMarks] Cohen’s law << [[moderation]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[moderation]]" to the "See Also" section of /Cohen%E2%80%99s_law https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89153&oldid=89152
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[KevinMarks] [[moderation]] << [[Cohen’s law]] is "The likelihood that any unmoderated group will eventually get into a flame-war about whether or not to have a moderator approaches one as time increases."
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Cohen’s law]] is "The likelihood that any unmoderated group will eventually get into a flame-war about whether or not to have a moderator approaches one as time increases."" to the "See Also" section of /moderation https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89154&oldid=86767
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Schnuppelduck Hello!
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aaronpk 👋
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capjamesg Hello!
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[snarfed] [KevinMarks]++ thank you!
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