#indieweb 2024-01-09

2024-01-09 UTC
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[tantek] does anyone here use a static site CMS for their personal site?
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gRegor yeah, some have come up at HWC Pacific, don't remember which ones though
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gRegor /Craft.do I think is considered one, Starrwulfe uses it
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[tantek] the words CMS, content, and management do not appear on http://Craft.do
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[tantek] sounds more like a collaborative document platform
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gRegor just referring to how he uses it
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[lifeofpablo] I use /Datenstrom for my personal site.
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[lifeofpablo] On their site it states, "Just files and folders."
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s​tarrwulfe @tantek, here's my personal site: https://jason.gatewood.xyz running in Craft.
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s​tarrwulfe I'm experimenting with building some things off their API to give it webmention and other stuff at the moment.
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[tantek] starrwulfe, which Craft is the question
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[tantek] what is Craft
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Loqi Craft is either Craft CMS, a PHP/MySQL CMS, or Craft.do, a document collaboration SaaS https://indieweb.org/Craft
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[tantek] I'm looking for ideas for how to summarize a series of posts, like my 2023 100Days posts (only 48). Like do I just list them in order numbered 1-48 with an approximate label for each? Do I attempt some form of clustering of them into related topics and then list those topics? Both? Something else?
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[tantek] I looked at aaronpk's https://aaronparecki.com/tag/100daysofindieweb for inspiration but it's literally a feed of all the posts — whereas I'm thinking something like a table of contents might be a useful way to scan / find a post or topic of interest.
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[tantek] (aside: apparently a post of mine snuck into that summary of aaronpk's because I used the same tag and he liked that post 😂 )
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[tantek] (and his tag page shows others posts he liked that have that tag!)
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[tantek] anyone have any favorite resources or examples for providing summaries of collections of writings like that?
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aaronpk i would just do it as a blog post
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aaronpk although counter to my statement 15 seconds ago, i am now realizing that my 100th day project was creating a website for the _other_ 100 days project
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[tantek] Yes I will do it as a post for this years 100Posts of IndieWeb
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aaronpk i appreciated already having tag pages on my site because it meant I had an easy way to collect all the posts without building additional infrastructure
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aaronpk tho that would have also been a good project for one of the 100 days
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aaronpk (i can't believe that was 7 years ago 🙀)
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[tantek] I thought your tag pages WAS one of the 100 days
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[tantek] ah no, it was a couple of enhancements: sparklines and pinned posts on tag pages, days 7 and 8
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aaronpk Yeah that sounds right, I'm pretty sure I had tag pages in the previous version of my site
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aaronpk also notable that I'm pretty sure this is the longest I've gone without rewriting my whole site at this point
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aaronpk it mostly does things in a sustainable way that I want. Sure there are some improvements I can make, but those improvements don't involve starting the whole thing from scratch
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GWG I always enjoy your improvements, aaronpk
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[aciccarello] [tantek] I use Decap CMS which used to be called Netlify CMS before they sold it off. It's a static site CMS so it's a react web app that hits an api to save files to GitHub.
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[aciccarello] Reminds me that the wiki probably needs some updates since the project rename
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[tantek] what is Netlify CMS?
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Loqi Netlify CMS is a content management frontend for static sites stored in GitHub, GitLab or BitBucket repos, made by Netlify https://indieweb.org/Netlify_CMS
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[tantek] yup, could use a renaming
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[tantek] and perhaps news about its former name, formerly known as in the dfn etc
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[aciccarello] Agreed, I'll try to do that tonight. Have a few things to catch up on first
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[tantek] 👍
jeremycherfas, antranigv, geoffo, oodani, antranigv_, [KevinMarks], rainystorm, ren, yewscion, ShockTohp, Nonsvch, AramZS, a51, sebbu2, [tantek], romangeeko, bterry, gxt, Saphir, Zegnat, tbbrown, nsh, [timothy_chambe], gRegor and [snarfed] joined the channel
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s​tarrwulfe What is Vercel?
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[snarfed] ... Loqi?
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c​apjamesg I'm not sure Loqi works properly in Discord.
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[snarfed] aww
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[snarfed] what is Vercel?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Vercel" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Vercel is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[snarfed] Vercel is https://vercel.com/ , a serverless web app host
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Loqi hey [snarfed]: we try to keep jargon (Vercel, serverless) out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?
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Loqi ok
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s​tarrwulfe Thanx! (still missing the Matrix bridge over here. At least until I get around figuring out how to connect into IRC with my Matrix client here.)
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c​apjamesg What is the law around copyright on blogs if you don't have a clear content license set?
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c​apjamesg I have never set one but I don't want my content in LLMs.
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[snarfed] countries vary, consumers can't assume any specific license or rights if you haven't specified a license, but afaik LLM access/training specifically doesn't have much (or any) precedent yet, at least in the US
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[snarfed] check back in a few months (or later) and maybe the current cases on the docket will have made progress
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c​apjamesg What about people?
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c​apjamesg Without a set license, can someone just copy a blog post and publish it themselves?
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rubenwardy no license means all rights reserved
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rubenwardy so no, you they couldn't legally republish your blog post as that would be copyright infringement
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rubenwardy but there is fair use for some things (grey area). That doesn't cover uploading an entire post, but would allow quoting parts of it
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[snarfed] also, if you have a specific goal like "don't let LLMs train on my stuff," law/case law often isn't the most useful place to start. the big ones generally already have opt out mechanisms, probably start by finding those instead
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c​apjamesg Already done.
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[snarfed] 👍
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rubenwardy yeah, the LLMs are already ignoring copyright - see the lawsuits in action
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[snarfed] "ignoring" is maybe overstated, it's arguably undetermined whether training a model on copyrighted content violates that copyright or its license
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[snarfed] but this is tech politics so we should probably => #indieweb-chat
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c​apjamesg Does anyone have an ISSN for their website?
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c​apjamesg [tantek] You might like the charts on https://norvig.com/mayzner.html
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[tantek] what is an ISSN
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ISSN" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "ISSN is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] capjamesg, if you're willing to create a page for it, here's an IndieWeb Example of someone who has an ISSN for their personal site: https://www.zeldman.com/about/
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c​apjamesg The British Library hack seems to have affected the British ISSN registration page: https://www.bl.uk/bibliographic/issn.html
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c​apjamesg https://isni.bl.uk/ doesn't work 😦
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[aciccarello] The ISSN website has some helpful information in it's FAQ https://portal.issn.org/faq8
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[tantek] anyway, if you want to create the /ISSN page please go for it since there is at least one real world IndieWeb Example!
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c​apjamesg There are two!
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c​apjamesg https://shkspr.mobi/blog/
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c​apjamesg See the footer ^
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Loqi [preview] Terence Eden’s Blog
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[tantek] nice!
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[aciccarello] Apparently ISSNs are free in the US https://www.loc.gov/issn/faq/
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[aciccarello] I'm still trying to determine what the requirements are for websites: "ISSN assignment to websites must meet criteria outlined in the ISSN Manual."
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[tantek] if you figure out what that is, definitely worth adding to a "How to" section on /ISSN!
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c​apjamesg https://dri.es/the-watchmaker-approach-to-web-development
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Loqi [preview] The Watchmaker's Approach to Web Development
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[aciccarello] Looks like personal sites are specifically excluded from ISSN registration.
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[snarfed] hmm, http://zeldman.com notwithstanding
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[aciccarello] I wonder when those were registered
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[aciccarello] > Exclusion criteria: 1. Personal resources (personal web sites and web pages, online diaries)
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[aciccarello] https://www.issn.org/understanding-the-issn/assignment-rules/issn-manual/
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[tantek] see the citation I added to the page from Zeldman, he posts about the "recent" problem of "indie web publishers" getting ISSNs
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c​apjamesg Link?
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[aciccarello] Found a better link https://www.issn.org/understanding-the-issn/assignment-rules/the-issn-for-electronic-media/
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[aciccarello] Adding this to the wiki
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c​apjamesg Oh wow.
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c​apjamesg Well I will not be getting an ISSN.