#indieweb 2024-01-15

2024-01-15 UTC
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SleepyJ hi! Cool objectives in the website, what is this chatroom about?
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c​apjamesg SleepyJ A place to chat!
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c​apjamesg If you have any questions about websites, we're here to help!
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c​apjamesg Do you have a website already?
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SleepyJ yeah :) nothing fancy yet
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SleepyJ is this mostly targeted at newcomers and small projects?
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c​apjamesg SleepyJ any plans for your site?
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c​apjamesg My main thing is to update a calendar on my home page 😅
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SleepyJ I guess I wonder, what are the bounds of "indie web"? When does a project no longer classify as "indie"?
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SleepyJ Eventually I would like to make a business out of a website, but it is quite the long road to get there
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[snarfed] SleepyJ good question! it's not really about indie vs big, the emphasis is more on the web part
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[snarfed] ie, you're indieweb if you're http://sleepyj.org, or even http://janescookies.com, even if you're huge
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[snarfed] ...you're not indieweb if you're http://facebook.com/sleepyj 😁
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[tantek] What is not indieweb?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "not indieweb" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "not indieweb is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] not indieweb is /silo
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] Close enough
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "🌱 2023 State of the Blog" https://person-al.github.io/%F0%9F%8C%B1/2024/01/01/2023-state-of-the-blog.html
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SleepyJ any tips to make a business from websites?
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[tantek] What are business models?
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Loqi business models are ways to offer indieweb products and or services that users pay for both for their own benefit, and in support an open indie web https://indieweb.org/business-models
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SleepyJ the difficult thing is to compete with the popular corporate offerings
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SleepyJ for example, if I make websites for people, I either charge them for the project and hand them off, or offer hosting and charge monthly fee
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SleepyJ monthly fee is probably better MRR in the long term
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SleepyJ but then that means competing with things like squarespace, wix, wordpress
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SleepyJ which seems rather intimidating
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GWG I don't think anything about what we believe as a community is against business in general. Certainly, against bad corporate behavior, but not against making money.
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GWG A good example would be micro.blog, which is a commercial endeavor, but incorporates a lot of the community philosophy.
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SleepyJ so as a community, do you about the business side of things?
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SleepyJ do you care*
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GWG Not as a community so much as individuals in the community. We're, admittedly, a bunch of hobbyists for the most part.
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SleepyJ Yeah that microblogging subscription model looks nice for the business owner
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GWG There are people in the community who are creating personal websites as a form of self-promotion.
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SleepyJ personal brand is a good point to start going into more serious sites for sure
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GWG But not as many looking to monetize on services. We've had a few other than micro.blog. Like withknown, which tried a commercial effort that didn't ultimately end up panning out for them.
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SleepyJ Got it
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GWG I wouldn't say I speak for everyone, but in general, the community isn't against commercial endeavors, or against people who want to try for one, but it isn't a community goal.
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SleepyJ the microblog site is giving me ideas
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SleepyJ Got it
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SleepyJ yeah there's a bit of a difference in the information when taken from a hobbyist perspective vs when it is taken from a entrepreneurship perspective
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SleepyJ both are good, but it is good to know where one stands
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GWG I think, if you had a business idea and wanted an opinion if it meshed with our community thoughts, we'd probably weigh in.
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jacky ^
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SleepyJ nice ty :)
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich]: daring to call something StreetPass, I would assume that Nintendo has trademarked that term ;) It does look interesting. Especially when it just builds a list in the background while you browse.
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Zegnat Makes me wonder what other lists my browser could make for me. Maybe just in general how often I have read posts on different blogs, so it may surface blogs that I should subscribe too 🤔
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] Have updated the placeholder for planning IWC in Brighton for March 9/10. We have booked The Skiff, which has a capacity of 30 people. This date falls the weekend after Patterns Day (which is on the Thursday beforehand).
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Zegnat [Paul_Robert_Ll]++ awesome!
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Loqi [Paul_Robert_Ll] has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (11 in all channels)
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c​apjamesg There is an IWC happening in Brighton?
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] Looks like it. Finding a venue was the blocker, but with that in place, planning can commence, I think.
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c​apjamesg Yay!
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Loqi yay!
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c​apjamesg I'm not sure if I will be able to make it, but I will try!
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GWG I just got invited to a wedding in NJ on the 12th. Darn
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GWG Not sure I can make that work, but will see.
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GWG What is the best way to get to Brighton?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "best way to get to Brighton" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "best way to get to Brighton is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG Oops
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sknebel LGW if there's useful flights there for you, then only a short-ish train ride down to the coast
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sknebel hm, going to be in the UK in May too, that's kinda annoying to do the trip twice so close to each other (but kinda too long to stick around the UK for). will have to think about options
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Zegnat March is coming up soon. I might have other work travel that conflicts, but will definitely start to have a look
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Zegnat Though I am sceptical of taking a train this time around :P
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sknebel Zegnat: ferry via norway?
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sknebel (although that'd involve a bunch of train inside the UK then...)
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c​apjamesg Yeah. I think I have a work meetup around then; it depends how much of a buffer I would have between that and the IWC.
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c​apjamesg sknebel The Scottish rail network is great.
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c​apjamesg 100% recommend.
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c​apjamesg (if a ferry was taken)
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sknebel huh, there are no UK-norway ferries anymore
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sknebel could've sworn there was one out of Stavanger
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Zegnat That would have been kinda fun
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sknebel seems that ended a decade ago. (might restart in 2026)
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GWG All I know about that area's geography I learned from Ticket to Ride.
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jeremycherfas Good news about Brighton. I hope I can swing it, though travel will have to be air.
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GWG I love trains, but there isn't one from NYC to Brighton. And if there was, I think I'd have to leave a week early.
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rubenwardy ooh, UK IWC?
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rubenwardy what is IWC
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Loqi 🎪 IndieWebCamps are brainstorming and building events where IndieWeb creators gather regularly in person to share ideas and collaborate on IndieWeb design, UX, & code for their own sites https://indieweb.org/IWC
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[jacky] http://micro.blog++ for Bluesky syndication
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[jacky] And bridgy++ for backfeed
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[snarfed] I should look at Bluesky publish support in Bridgy at some point. [Joel_Auterson] got it pretty close, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/1580
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Loqi [preview] [JoelOtter] #1580 Bluesky: publishing
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s​tarrwulfe @snarfed: ColinWalker has two-way publish/reply inline for BlueSky on his blog up and running right now.
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s​tarrwulfe https://colinwalker.blog/?date=2023-12-17#p2
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s​tarrwulfe I'm doing what jacky does at the moment.
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s​tarrwulfe Would love to figure out how to inline reply to bluesky/webmentions as easily as ActivityPub just became now. Baby steps are in order.
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