#indieweb 2024-01-19

2024-01-19 UTC
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[tantek] I'd call those side notes not footnotes because they are literally on the side, not in the footer
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[tantek] Makes me wonder if there's a good plain text convention for side notes
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[tantek] (No, not a bunch of random punctuation please)
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[tantek] Borrowing in reverse from HTML, perhaps a parenthetical starting with "aside:"
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rubenwardy Source serif 4, in case anyone was wondering
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rubenwardy https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Source+Serif+4
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[tantek] E.g.:
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[tantek] "I like having as few opportunities as possible for would-be enshittifiers to mess around with what I'm trying to do. (aside: If anyone enshittities my newsletter, it's going to be me dammit)"
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[tantek] Blame iOS OCR for the typos
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[tantek] That way that's readable / understandable as plain text (as you see here in chat), and a formatting tool could detect the "(aside: ... )" and create a side note and reformat accordingly
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[tantek] As displayed in the screenshot of Molly White's post
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[tantek] What is plain text first?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "plain text first" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "plain text first is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] 🤔
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[tantek] Ah: https://indieweb.org/text-first_design
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f​fflick what even is IWC
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[tantek] what is IWC
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Loqi 🎪 IndieWebCamps are brainstorming and building events where IndieWeb creators gather regularly in person to share ideas and collaborate on IndieWeb design, UX, & code for their own sites https://indieweb.org/IWC
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[tantek] ^ there you go ffflick
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[frozenyogut] are there any IndieWeb folks or meetups in Japan?
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GWG [frozenyogut]: We have poor coverage in Asia in general, but we'd love to help people get something started. Our biggest groups are in North America and Europe right now.
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[frozenyogut] Ah, okay. Asking because I'm based in Tokyo and although I don't have a lot of technical knowledge yet, I'd love to meet people who might want to start something here :)
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GWG [frozenyogut]: Start out small. Find one person and get together. It is easier said than done, even where I am, where I know there are several community members within an hour of here.
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[frozenyogut] Yeah, I've been looking for tech meetups to attend locally. Hopefully I can find some folks soon.
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GWG [frozenyogut]: In the meantime, the North American and the Europeans have online meetings. The times are a bit inconvenient though
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GWG There is one I believe is at 4AM, the other at 11AM
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GWG Not the best option, but...
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[frozenyogut] Yeah ^^" maybe one day if I have a day off I can attend!
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[frozenyogut] thank you for your help
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GWG [frozenyogut]: We're here at all times of day(different people depending on time), if you want to chat virtually in writing about anything
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[frozenyogut] I definitely will! Thank you ~ :)
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[tantek] Welcome Snufkin++
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Loqi Snufkin has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] Do you have a personal site?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "🌱 adding a comments section to a static site" https://person-al.github.io/%F0%9F%8C%B1/2024/01/14/adding-a-comments-section-to-a-static-site.html
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c​apjamesg Welcome everyone!
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c​apjamesg Good morning, IndieWeb!
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c​apjamesg How is everyone today?
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r4dhexe_ Hello, new here. Momantarily working on tag queries for my DIY CMS :)
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c​apjamesg Welcome!
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sknebel good morning!
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jeremycherfas Back on IRC on my desktop, and still looking for recommendations for a good IRC client on iOS.
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f​fflick are there indie web people in Toronto
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c​apjamesg I don't how any in Toronto but I remember there was a group that used to meet up in Toronto: https://html.energy/events.html
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f​fflick 😞
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[Joe_Crawford] I got more involved locally in San Diego because I was vocally including the indieweb hashtag plus San Diego in tweets and [gRegorLove] found me doing that on Twitter and reached out. That was 2019. Here in 2024 the pieces might not be the same—maybe it’s not Twitter—but throw enough seeds to the wind and maybe a few germinate!
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capjamesg[d] Perhaps Mastodon can serve a similar role?
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s​tarrwulfe capjamesg[d] thanks! I’m still trying to work out sections and categories and borrowing ideas from other indiewebbers.
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s​tarrwulfe [frozenyogut]: there’s a few loosely associated indieweb people around Japan and Greater Tokyo. Just get your site up and running and start networking and I’m pretty sure they’d be supportive of something informal at first.
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[Joe_Crawford] I think one or two of the folks who came to IWC SD came because I made my small post on Mastodon, so, yes capjamesg!
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f​fflick how do i get permission to view message history in #indieweb-chat ?
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f​fflick and where are the webhook messages coming from, is it a bridge to matrix?
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[snarfed] #indieweb-chat isn't logged, history generally isn't available, https://indieweb.org/discuss#chat
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[snarfed] ^ that page has details on the bridges
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capjamesg[d] ffflick[d] You have to be focused on #indieweb-chat during a discussion to see the messages.
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capjamesg[d] It's not ideal, but it is our only option to preserve the privacy of everyone in that chat across networks.
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f​fflick hmm okay
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capjamesg[d] The main web discussions happen here in #indieweb .
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capjamesg[d] Maybe I have already asked this but do you have a personal website ffflick[d] ?
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f​fflick yes
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f​fflick i don't have much on it rn
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capjamesg[d] What are your plans for things to add / do?
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f​fflick I'm mostly here to look at other ppls sites and get inspiration lol
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f​fflick capjamesg[d]: it's mostly going to be a blog
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capjamesg[d] Yay!
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Loqi giggles
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capjamesg[d] My site is https://jamesg.blog.
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capjamesg[d] I blog about... a lot of things!
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capjamesg[d] Really, whatever comes to mind.
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f​fflick I'm going for this kind of vibe, both in terms of design and content: https://www.fromjason.xyz/p/notebook/
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f​fflick but different topics ofc
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capjamesg[d] I love the metadata on that site.
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f​fflick capjamesg[d]: 😮 cool
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capjamesg[d] This is nice from Jason's site:
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capjamesg[d] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1197963360092815481/Screenshot_2024-01-19_at_17.58.28.png?ex=65bd2d52&is=65aab852&hm=72bff58e131d40f8e73135ade90ac61ff57532de80d917de755b57521d1cb58a&
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f​fflick capjamesg[d]: there's a webring too ?
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capjamesg[d] Yep!
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capjamesg[d] What is webring?
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Loqi A webring is a collection of websites linked together in a circular structure https://indieweb.org/webring
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capjamesg[d] This is the IndieWeb one: https://xn--sr8hvo.ws/
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f​fflick neat
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capjamesg[d] If you're looking for sites to explore, I had a series where I linked to a few: https://jamesg.blog/category/advent-of-bloggers-series/
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f​fflick neat
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f​fflick https://bearblog.dev/discover/ and hackernews are also pretty great sources for finding cool sites/blogs
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f​fflick [edit] https://bearblog.dev/discover/ and hackernews are also pretty great sources for finding cool sites/blogs
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capjamesg[d] neocities.org is cool too.
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r4dhexe_ Eveninig / morning :)
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capjamesg[d] Hello r4dhexe_!
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capjamesg[d] Good day!
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r4dhexe_ I've been connected through terminal at work, but didn't participate in webring followup. But sites I'm currently exploring come via https://search.marginalia.nu/
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r4dhexe_ An independent DIY search engine
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r4dhexe_ Anyways, anyone else out there designing 'text-browser first' web?
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[tantek] What is text first design
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Loqi Text-first design refers to the practice of designing information and UIs so they are readable/usable/actionable at least as basic plain text https://indieweb.org/text_first_design
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janboddez Hi all!
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aaronpk 👋
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janboddez Does anyone happen to know of a service that watches "the Fediverse" and sends out webmentions to sites that'll accept them? (Or if they were recently added to Mastodon itself?)
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janboddez I'm suddenly getting mentions for comments that I myself created on my own site and are then "federated." Or that's what it looks like. I'm also getting mentions for Mastodon replies, actually. Which is a bit weird, as I already support ActivityPub natively.
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janboddez Ooh, disabled Bridgy and it seems to have stopped. Curious, it wasn't showing me it had sent anything before. And the IP of the "bridge" seemed to suggest a Linode server.
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janboddez Oh, and the client was Ruby, somehow
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[snarfed] hmm, Bridgy is not Ruby or Linode
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janboddez Wait, it looks like it's micro.blog
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janboddez Haha, interesting
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[snarfed] hah, love it
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janboddez Seems like micro.blog may somehow be sending webmentions for not just its "native" posts
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[snarfed] ok all, I edited my 4k word spew on content moderation down to <2.5k. mind reading it before I broadcast it more widely? feedback is welcome! https://snarfed.org/2024-01-19_moderate-people-not-code
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r4dhexe_ text-browser first means that it's designed with browsers like w3m or elinks in mind. They mostly don't render CSS or JS, so the structure has to be functional without those.
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r4dhexe_ As I do a lot via shell, it's oftentimes my preferred mode of access to web. Gemini almost rules in this..