#indieweb 2024-02-03

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[tantek] the part I quoted? I think it's a useful insight
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[0x3b0b] No, paragraph before that.
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[0x3b0b] My concept of "blocking" originates from forum and chat contexts, and I still think of "user A blocking user B also means user B cannot see user A's content" as a new and unusual thing some social spaces do, not as an expected standard.
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[tantek] hmm, if it's about David Brooks it's ambiguous, I mean there are multiple people on Wikipedia with that name
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[tantek] 0x3b0b my recollection of some of the earliest implementation of "blocking" was 20 years ago in Flickr, which absolutely works the way Derek describes it
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[0x3b0b] It's worth noting that if I did encounter contexts in which it worked that way before...um...basically the past year, it's entirely possible I just didn't notice.
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[0x3b0b] But I spent years thinking of it as a synonym for "ignore," which I think is probably a little more broadly intuited as one-way.
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[0x3b0b] So between that and the chat+forum focused experience, it's not that the idea of it meaning what he described surprises me; it's the idea of that being presented as the _obviously expected_ meaning that took me by surprise.
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[tantek] what is ignore
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Loqi friending (AKA add friend or the verb to friend) is a general term applied to the various silo user interactions with sites regarding reciprocal friendship https://indieweb.org/Ignore
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[tantek] whoa
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[tantek] friending << "ignore friend request" is a feature on [[Snapchat]] as a way of declining a friend request
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Loqi ok, I added ""ignore friend request" is a feature on [[Snapchat]] as a way of declining a friend request" to the "See Also" section of /friending https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=92866&oldid=88613
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[tantek] 0x3b0b I think that's why a lot of social silos adopted two verbs, mute and block
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[tantek] what is mute
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Loqi mute is the ability to hide posts in your reader that have specific words, or from particular publishers, sometimes only a specific type or format, optionally with an automatic expiration, after which newer posts are visible again https://indieweb.org/mute
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[tantek] mute is more likely what you may have been thinking as a synonym for "ignore"
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[0x3b0b] It's probably closer in most cases, at least.
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t​witchywoodpecker I'm going to work on my first personal site that is basically going to be a blog about getting it setup. Then I'm going to be setting up whatever services I can learn how to self host. I might start with a simple email server on my old laptop.
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[William_Jack_P] hello I am looking to make an indiewb website with a 190's aesthetic (art deco) design but I am unusre what website I should build it on or wether to build from scratch as I am on a very limited budget
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[William_Jack_P] my apogiles I miswrote that when trying to type quickly I mean 1920's
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[William_Jack_P] *too
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[tantek] What is 1990
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "1990" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "1990 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[William_Jack_P] I don't understand @loqi
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[KevinMarks] The good news is that a lot of 1920s design is out of copyright, the hard part is that deco is a lot of work to draw
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[20_s_Net] oh, I can't actually draw due to having dyspraxia, so I was going to rely mostly on the public domain
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[KevinMarks] This site may be some help, they have a lot of template https://www.kittl.com/article/make-art-deco-card-designs
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWeb Carnival January 2024: Roundup" https://foreverliketh.is/blog/indieweb-carnival-january-2024-roundup/
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[20_s_Net] Thanks
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[20_s_Net] Where would you personally suggest to host this idea?
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[jeremycherfas] Welcome [20_s_Net] I think hosting would depend a lot on whether the website would be static or dynamic, and also how much experience you have with servers, GitHub etc
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[jeremycherfas] What is a ssg
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Loqi A static site generator or SSG is software that developers can use (typically requiring command line access) to setup a personal site that uses a set of text content files typically stored on a server, and transforms them into a set of static HTML files for a website https://indieweb.org/SSG
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[jeremycherfas] Some ideas there ^^
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[20_s_Net] to be honest I am just getting my feet wet but I am starting to get very basic knowlege of html
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[jeremycherfas] Well, that’s a great start. Feel free to ask for help.
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[20_s_Net] yes I have been using Neocities
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[KevinMarks] The github pages example site may be a good place to start https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site
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Loqi [preview] [indieweb] blank-gh-site: Setup a simple new indieweb site on a domain name in mere minutes with this project.
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[KevinMarks] For how to host a raw html page
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[Al_Abut] That’s excellent. No hosting or generators.
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[20_s_Net] Thanks
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[20_s_Net] Sorry to ask so many questions but I am new to this
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[20_s_Net] Would this allow for an "unlimited" amount of customisation and where would be a good place to get a domain
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[jeremycherfas] Yes to all the customisation you want. I get domains at http://Hover.com
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[20_s_Net] Thanks so much
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[20_s_Net] Hover however does seem to offer prices in American dollars and I am in the UK
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capjamesg I use Namecheap.
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capjamesg I like their service.
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capjamesg And you can be billed in GBP.
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[20_s_Net] Cool how do you know if a deal is good or not though?
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capjamesg It depends what TLD (i.e. .com, .co.uk, etc.) you are using.
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capjamesg But I don't like paying more than 20 pounds a year for a domain.
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[20_s_Net] I don't really mind I was looking at .bar not because it's a business website but because it fits with the themeing
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capjamesg The prices can vary wildly for domains.
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capjamesg It depends if you are looking for something that's a common word vs. something more obscure.
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[20_s_Net] £1.41 for a year for 1920's.click
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[20_s_Net] Oh wait no actually £1.51
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[20_s_Net] I followed all the instrucions and now it says there're a problem when I try to go to the domain?
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capjamesg What is the problem?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "problem" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "problem is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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capjamesg Ignore Loqi there haha.
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capjamesg Did you get an error message [20_s_Net]?
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[20_s_Net] my bad I think I figured it out I didn't realise the username has to be the same as the website name and tried to make the website name super long
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[20_s_Net] but having said that it's still saying this site can't be reached
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[20_s_Net] it says dns adress can not be found
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[20_s_Net] could the asposhtre be causing the problem?
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capjamesg Ah, I don't think you can have apostrophes in a domain name.
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[20_s_Net] ah right
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[20_s_Net] well I changed it to deconet
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[20_s_Net] it's working slightly better however 404
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[20_s_Net] *There isn't a GitHub Pages site here.*
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[20_s_Net] If you're trying to publish one, https://help.github.com/pages/ to learn how to set up *GitHub Pages* for your repository, organization, or user account.
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[20_s_Net] https://githubstatus.com/ — https://twitter.com/githubstatus
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[20_s_Net] oops I didn't mean to link
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[20_s_Net] I get an error 404
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capjamesg Have you configured your site in GitHub pages?
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[20_s_Net] oh
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[20_s_Net] you're right I didn't
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[20_s_Net] do I need to fork it again or something?
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capjamesg Go to your repository settings.
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capjamesg Then click Pages.
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capjamesg Then choose to deploy with GitHub Pages.
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capjamesg The page should refresh then you should be asked to type in your domain name.
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capjamesg GitHub will get your site ready and set up HTTPS.
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capjamesg This process can take a few minutes.
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[20_s_Net] every domain I enter doesn't work for some reason I haven't got a custom one but it won't even let me use a github one?
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[20_s_Net] fixed it it wasn't liking the fact I was using my real name wich I didn't particualry want to do anyway
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[20_s_Net] well I had it up my mum noticed some spelling mistakes and now I am trying to figure out how to correct them?
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capjamesg You don’t need a custom one.
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capjamesg Let me see if I can find the instructions.
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capjamesg https://docs.github.com/en/pages/quickstart
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capjamesg Let me know if that helps ^
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[20_s_Net] well the thing is I had it working before the spellings I made it none public in order to correct the spellings and now I can't get it back up for some reason?
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[20_s_Net] ah I figured it out I was using the wrong link
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capjamesg Good to hear you figured it out!
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capjamesg Nice work!
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capjamesg [20_s_Net]++
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Loqi [20_s_Net] has 1 karma over the last year
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capjamesg And welcome to the IndieWeb community!
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[20_s_Net] thanks
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[20_s_Net] my website still looks like the template it was based on though how does one go about customising do I just add to the origianal index.html file?
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[20_s_Net] and thank you for all you're time
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capjamesg Yeah! You can change the index.html as you want.
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capjamesg Add new text, remove things, add new HTML elements and styles.
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capjamesg Do what you want to make it your own!
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capjamesg No worries. We're here to help!
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[20_s_Net] • for some resaon I have two little anomiles on the website this appears at the bottom of all the text } < but it's not in the code
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[20_s_Net] ok I fixed that but I am sturggling to make an image background and just add code from other sources in genral
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capjamesg You might find https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/background-image useful.
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capjamesg [edit] You might find https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/background-image useful.
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capjamesg MDN is a great place to look for resources for beginning.
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[20_s_Net] may I add you as a colaboarater to my actual github respositrey if that's not against the rules?
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capjamesg There are no rules! You're best asking questions here so you can learn yourself though 😄
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[20_s_Net] • I ask because I now some how have this //HTML //CSS #bg { position: fixed; top: 0; left: 0; /* Preserve aspet ratio */ min-width: 100%; min-height: 100%; }
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[20_s_Net] at the bottom of my site and I can't find it in the code
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[20_s_Net] I understand
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capjamesg If you share your website URL we can take a look at the code there (all HTML documents are public on the web!)!
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[20_s_Net] https://1920snet.github.io/The-Internet-Reimagined-For-The-1920-s/
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capjamesg Sorry, that's not right. I meant that you can inspect HTML documents in your browser, so if you share your URL we can do that and take a look.
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Loqi [preview] Genre Fluid The Musical Maitre D
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capjamesg Did you edit the right file in your repository?
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[20_s_Net] yes index.html
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capjamesg Are you saying that code is in your GitHub repository or it isn't but it appears on the page?
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capjamesg If the code isn't in your GitHub repository, it might be coming from a browser extension.
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[20_s_Net] I'm saying one line of code has come up but apart from that and the code is deffinently in the respoisitory sorry that sounded less passive agressive in my head
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capjamesg Haha no worries. Coding can be a bit frustrating at times.
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[20_s_Net] ah I just refreshed it at the glitch went
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[20_s_Net] sometimes the old methods work the best
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capjamesg 😄
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capjamesg It might be a bit far ahead but you can look at others' CSS rules for inspiration.
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capjamesg Mine are at https://jamesg.blog/assets/styles/styles.css.
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capjamesg Feel free to copy anything you like.
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[20_s_Net] yes might be a litter far ahead at the moment
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[20_s_Net] but this is acctually quite good fun
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capjamesg You made a website!
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capjamesg It's a big deal!
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[20_s_Net] yeah I just managed to embed a youtube playlist boo yeah
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[20_s_Net] how can one add multiple pages with like a context menu?
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[20_s_Net] sorry I mean drowdown or header menu type thing?
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capjamesg Dropdowns take some time to make.
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capjamesg The first step is to make a plain list with links. That will help you learn the markup you'd need later on for a dropdown.
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Loqi [20_s_Net], capjamesg: I don't mean to be a bother, but header, markup seems like a better conversation for #indieweb-dev
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[tantek] True Loqi!
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capjamesg Yes indeed.
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capjamesg [20_s_Net] Let's continue the discussion in #indieweb-dev.
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[KevinMarks] https://archive.is/20240203080657/https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/02/01/the-end-of-the-social-network interesting phase transition