#indieweb 2024-03-17

2024-03-17 UTC
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kuzkuz. Hi all, nice to meet you.
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kuzkuz. I have a website and I would like to move away from the current hosting. It would be great to move onto an independent server.
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kuzkuz. By looking at the documentation of the Getting Started area on the website, it seems the suggested setup is to get an account on AWS. (https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started)
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kuzkuz. I understand indieweb to be **independent**. So, I was expecting to see instructions on how to setup your own server and how to expose it online or somethign similar 😄
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kuzkuz. Did I get it wrong?
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kuzkuz. Should I reconsider my expectations?
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kuzkuz. I'm currently interested in a static website hosting. No need for anything fancy.
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[snarfed] kuzkuz sure! https://indieweb.org/web_hosting#Static_domain_hosting if you're more technical, https://indieweb.org/web_hosting#Custom_domain_silos if you're less technical
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[snarfed] ...but having said that, we don't push self-hosting or "independent" hosting specifically here. we focus on using your own domain and having usable access to your data. beyond that, we're open to the range of managed to self-hosted options
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kuzkuz. Oh, right. So it's not about the hosting, but it's more about the content of the website: the data ownership. 🤔
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kuzkuz. You see, I need to have a better understanding before I ask any questions 😄
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kuzkuz. I just came across indieweb in the last hour or so. Apologies for the dumb questions.
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capjamesg No questions are dumb!
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capjamesg And welcome!
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capjamesg It’s more about owning your own data than using a specific tool / set of tools.
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capjamesg If you have a website, you are on the indie web!
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[snarfed] capjamesg++ yup. and kuzkuz you're obviously welcome to work toward owning more of your hosting too! lots of people here will be interested, especially in #indieweb-dev. it's just not the central focus of the community
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kuzkuz. I have a static website hosted on AWS, with the domain on Route53 and the website's files being loaded straight from an S3 bucket.
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kuzkuz. The reason why I chosen AWS in the first place is because is the cheapest I was able to find at that time (a few years ago).
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kuzkuz. Now my situation has changed and my dislike for AWS is stronger than money!
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Loqi kuzkuz.: I don't mean to be a bother, but AWS seems like a better conversation for #indieweb-dev
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kuzkuz. I would like to move my website somewhere else but I have no clue about what hosting is good in terms of quality and reliability but also good in terms of "doing good for the betterment of the community rather than the most value for the shareholders". That type of good 🙂
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kuzkuz. I'm not an expert, though.
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[snarfed] yup! following up in #indieweb-dev
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susurrance Hi! Figured checking with the Discord would be good! Currently working on static site using 11ty, also have a site through omg.lol but in the process of redoing a few things. Glad to be here c:
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kuzkuz. ...but why does everybody have a "bot" tag next to their name? They seem to be genuine comments from humans 🤔
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redblobgames The chat is spread across irc, slack, discord, and maybe other places, and "bot" means a bot has copied the message written by a human from one of the other places to where you are
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[tantek] And in Slack, messages from other places have "APP" next to the chat names
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capjamesg Welcome susurrance[d]!
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[contact898] welcome! (and I'm not a bot :))
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to2ds Then Loqi presents a captcha to be sure :D
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claudinec I pushed myself out of my perfectionist procrastination zone and published three little paragraphs – nothing significant, I'm just trying to build some momentum to post more than once a year. https://www.claudinec.net/posts/2024-03-17-spring-summer-edition/
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Loqi [preview] Claudine Chionh
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capjamesg claudinec++
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capjamesg Amazing post!
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capjamesg Among my favourite blog posts are short musings.
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claudinec aww thanks!
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[contact898] claudinec++ I also really like super short posts, and I loooove seeing what people do with their websites, good job!
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[contact898] and yes to « a blog post doesn't have to be more than a couple of sentences long » − not everything needs to be a dissertation :)
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claudinec Thanks – I decided I wasn't in the mood to publish my long late-night rants about walled gardens just yet :-)
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susurrance claudinec: Love! Your writing voice is so balanced and welcoming.
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starrwulfe I need to make my weekly round up post be actually weekly.
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starrwulfe 😔
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starrwulfe https://starrwulfe.xyz/2024/03/last-week-today-s2024e7/
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Loqi [preview] [starrwulfe] Last Week Today! S2024E7 🤦‍♂️ OK, I skipped out on hella posts for this category. I know, I know… I’ll backfill them later, but I really hadn’t done much of anything noteworthy I guess so there wasn’t the motivation to post one of ... https://i0.wp.com/starrwulfe.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/IMG_0483-scaled.jpg?fit=1920%2C2560&ssl=1
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starrwulfe Tips on staying timely and motivated when doing these kinds of series posts are welcome!
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[contact898] I try to give myself a bit of dopamine with a habit tracker or to-do list, so I have the satisfaction of crossing it out
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[contact898] and the reminder, because sometimes I just forget
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[contact898] but mostly, I've moved to monthly :p
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darylsun I remind myself that blogging is fun, so it's okay if I occassionally skip a week
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darylsun If I think of blogging as a chore, I start dreading it
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[contact898] that's a great one
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starrwulfe I've skipped lots of weeks, that's the problem!
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starrwulfe (well just that series anyway; I blog about something almost every day)
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to2ds Micro blogging on the website seems to help overcome writing inertia for me and saves my wife from having to listen to my inane babble 😄
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[tantek] ^ maybe should go in "why blog"? 😂
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to2ds May I?
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[jeremycherfas] @claudinec I am in awe of your Uses page, but then, it isn’t my job. 🙂
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starrwulfe "blogging my way out of an argument" is a good motivator. Sometimes "blogging my way into an argument" happens as well...
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starrwulfe Usually "blog to make it make sense" is my reasoning for 2/3 of my musings though. Thinking out loud (and sometimes yelling at clouds)
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[tantek] ^ blog to make it make sense is good 🙌
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capjamesg https://neato.pub/
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capjamesg From the creator of omg.lol
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claudinec Thanks susurrance and jeremycherfas! I'm finding this a welcoming community too
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capjamesg susurrance[d] I forgot to say welcome! So: welcome!
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capjamesg I'm excited to see your 11ty site when it is ready.
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.cidney Hi, all! Not new to the indie web movement, but trying to join the Discord server to be more active in chat. I have a personal website https://cidney.org/ that I should really set up proper webmentions for someday.
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capjamesg _cidney[d]++
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capjamesg Welcome to the Discord!
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capjamesg I love your AI usage disclosure.
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.cidney Thanks! Not a fan of Discord but have to use it all the time for gamedev things... so less friction this way.
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capjamesg We have a Slack and IRC, too, if either of those platforms are preferable!
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.cidney Haha; just added one today. Figured it was time. :p
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.cidney I use Slack and IRC even less... haven't really used IRC since I was a kid.
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capjamesg If you set up Webmentions on your site, let me know and I'd be happy to send you one as a demo.
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capjamesg I keep meaning to send to2ds a webmention too!
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capjamesg (I think I promised in HWC to2ds. I haven't forgotten!)
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capjamesg It's above "taylor swift lyrics bot" on my TODO list 😄
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capjamesg (Weird thing about our chat: to mention someone joining the chat from another platform like Slack / irc (who will have "Bot" next to their name), you can't use the @ in the same way. So to2ds is a user, but not in Discord; mentioning the name should be enough to trigger a mention.)
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.cidney That's my next project when I have a block of time to work on my website... could definitely use help there. I tried installing the Jekyll webmentions plugin but no clue how it's supposed to send them.... and the documentation is mostly "install it and it should magically work".
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capjamesg The folks in #indieweb-dev will be able to help with that!
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redblobgames I tried the IRC for a while but I wasn't using it (or slack) often. But Discord I use every day (for gamedev), so I ended up coming to the indieweb discord.
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.cidney amitp[d]: Oh cool! Checking out your site now.
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claudinec Hi .cidney! Love the minimalist aesthetic
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to2ds capjamesg - Thank you. Inbound webmentions are sort of working, though far from refined at this point. starrwulfe helped me debug the other day when my reply didn't include the actual reply :)
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to2ds Oh wait. That was an outbound reply to an inbound.
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to2ds Still longing for the simplicity of Web 1.0 😄
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capjamesg I accept HTML messages too 😄
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to2ds 😄