#indieweb 2024-05-15

2024-05-15 UTC
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aaronpk people overindex on the cost. free services are not always better, just look at /site-deaths
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cophee Got it
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cophee I guess the guide will need to redirect + convince people to get their own domain
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aaronpk without your own domain you aren't really in control of anything, so it all kind of starts there
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cophee Ok! just asking since price seemed to be a big factor in why people don't adopt their own sites in the survey
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aaronpk yeah, people often forget that they pay far more than the cost of a domain+web hosting for a phone tho
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cophee It's so true
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cophee It's like 16/yr
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cophee Just need to find a way to convince people
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aaronpk yep, just like people had to be convinced they needed their own personal mobile phone number
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pcarrier looked into importing linktr.ee, and turns out they expose the page settings and links in a nice JSON that's super easy to extract
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cophee pcarrier[d]: awesome!!!
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aaronpk oh nice
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pcarrier almost too clean. https://gist.github.com/pcarrier/606545b6e8049ca04515fcb9f04f4be4
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pcarrier [edit] almost too clean. https://gist.github.com/pcarrier/606545b6e8049ca04515fcb9f04f4be4
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pcarrier (see scrape.js at the bottom for the 10 lines of code…)
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pcarrier we've got `pageTitle`, `links` sorted by position with their `title` and `URL`, `theme.colors`…
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aaronpk getting into #indieweb-dev territory but yeah this is great
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pcarrier not super interested in going further down the rabbit hole, virtualyl nothing to learn here, but if somebody wanted to tackle a static site generator I could provide some help
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cophee Just talked to my professors about the premise of IndieWeb –– they seem very interested
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cophee (Social Media Cultures subject is focused on the issues surrounding social media)
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[tantek] 👀
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cophee aaronpk: I think maybe the easiest would be micro.blog then
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[tantek] Yes, easiest with room to grow with interconnecting in the indieweb
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[tantek] I would not recommend Wordpress to a new person. There is a bunch of easy setup to do simple blogging but as soon as you want to use it socially, you enter a big step up in admin tax
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cophee Yeah... Wordpress can get very complicated
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cophee Ohno, trying to sign up for micro.blog to see what the user setup flow is like and getting this error
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cophee https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1240119216791748648/image.png?ex=66456685&is=66441505&hm=82e10647bec0eaa0b2861edf16a84eb2fc4e8cbb9a3fbb633ee8e34c31a94082&
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cophee Not sure if it's just on my side
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aaronpk oh no, ping [manton]
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cophee @[manton]
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cophee https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1240201207809572874/image.png?ex=6645b2e1&is=66446161&hm=3ce791d00929e53558f83d57fc30f5d538ef2644e5b70af61450c78c8495a873&
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IWDiscord <c​ophee>
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IWDiscord <c​ophee>
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cophee https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1240201256127954995/image.png?ex=6645b2ed&is=6644616d&hm=f7dc9f674df563a7f113d34f35395449ae041d89cf1b27429066fa54189b50f5&
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cophee Weaving in some of the readings from class here! But trying to explain things as simple as possible
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cophee https://www.figma.com/design/l8Ou05tzfCDXcWGketp4Wt/An-Indie-Guide-to-The-Indie-Web?node-id=0%3A1&t=lomdjxhRvQoqv8EY-1
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cophee And please feel free to leave comments + suggestions on this Figma!
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IWDiscord <c​ophee>
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cophee I want it to be as representative of the IndieWeb values as possible 😃
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capjamesg Joschi++ for helping organize IWC this weekend!
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capjamesg And GWG++
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capjamesg For audio visual help!
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pcarrier thinking about how to get people started fast and for free. step 1: enter your email address on found.as, get a login link; step 2a: pick a handle you've already registered, 2b: register a new handle, here `pcarrier`; step 3a: import a linktr.ee, 3b: enter a few named links, some with `rel="me"`, 3c: edit plain HTML, 3d: redirect to your own domain; step 4: enjoy simple HTML being served as https://found.as/pcarrier; step 5: set up pcarrier
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pcarrier Sorry 1, 2 are sequential, 2a, 2b are alternatives
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[KevinMarks] The other quickstart is omg.lol which has a different vibe to http://micro.blog but suits some people a lot
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pcarrier ha. step 1: enter your username, step 2: pay $20 😅
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[KevinMarks] There's also https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site which is free but more fiddly. That's the trade off.
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[KevinMarks] I suppose there's also http://blogger.com for the full retro blog experience, that has somehow lasted 25 years without being killed by Google
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cophee Thanks @[KevinMarks]!!
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[Joel_Auterson] I use GH too but the issue with static site generators and Indieweb is the amount of work you have to do to get things like Micropub working
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[Joel_Auterson] I used lambdas for it but it’s got to the point where I slightly regret not just having a server 😅
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capjamesg We have HWC Europe online this evening at 7pm UK time: https://events.indieweb.org/2024/05/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-HJs8USwnq2Ie
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[byJP] ↩️ I’ve had a lot of success with static site (hugo built in Github) and running https://getindiekit.com on a raspberry pi in my closet. But you still need to be comfortable setting up a linux machine etc; it’s definitely not beginner friendly eh‽
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jacky now this site's gimmick is funny: https://tonsky.me/blog/allekinos/
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cophee hahahha
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jacky it's also a great place to find _any_ movie in _any_ cinema in Germany :)
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cophee jacky: that does look very useful though
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jacky def need more tools like this
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jacky esp if it could store locally, then you could go offline and still have it handy
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cophee that's so true!!!
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cophee now i wish that it exists here in sydney
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cophee https://www.flicks.com.au/now-playing/sydney-city-inner-and-east/
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cophee There's this
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IWDiscord <c​ophee>
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cophee but i just want a spreadsheet that i can command+F on 🫡 🫡
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pcarrier quick vibe check for could possibly be the fastest way to get a page/redirect online? https://mastodon.social/@pcarrier/112445978223538119
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pcarrier [edit] quick vibe check for could possibly be the fastest way to get a page/redirect online? https://mastodon.social/@pcarrier/112445978223538119
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pcarrier sorry for the discord sticker, I don't think I asked for it?
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capjamesg 😂
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capjamesg pcarrier++
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capjamesg I love the direction of the UI.
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Europe/London is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/HJs8USwnq2Ie
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capjamesg ^^
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[Stefan_Rudersd] Hope you all had a great Beyond Tellerand! Thanks again for the awesome IndieWebcamp!!
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[Stefan_Rudersd] (I finally made iA Writer send posts from my phone to my website just today. Love it!)
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capjamesg [Stefan_Rudersd]++
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capjamesg Amazing!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "BO-HWC: Social Norms in the IndieWeb: upcoming event" https://artlung.com/blog/2024/05/15/bo-hwc-social-norms-in-the-indieweb-upcoming-event/
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capjamesg [Joe_Crawford]++ for the blog post.
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[tantek] [Stefan_Rudersd]++ awesome!
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pcarrier capjamesg[d] thoughts on https://found.as/ ? everything should work but "publish" 🙂
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pcarrier well, and password verification, because there's zero backend
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capjamesg pcarrier[d] I would love an explainer on the page.
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capjamesg It isn't clear to me from the page what it does or what technologies are used.
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pcarrier oh right, it'll put something online
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[Joe_Crawford] capjamesg++ for co-hosting!
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capjamesg Also, when I live edit the HTML the rendered page on the right side sometimes flickers to black. I'm on Mac chrome.
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pcarrier you type the path, you pick a password to protect/allow writes, you pick the type and fill in the HTML/markdown/redirect URL, you hit publish, the thing you described is online?
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capjamesg marksuth[d]++ for hosting!
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[Joe_Crawford] [marksuth]++ for co-hosting!
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capjamesg [Joe_Crawford] What was the rule you mentioned about how someone probably already done something you were thinking about on the web?
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capjamesg pcarrier[d] I like it! You may also want to mention how you store the data.
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pcarrier capjamesg[d] well, you shouldn't care 🙂
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capjamesg I shouldn't care about what?
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pcarrier how I store the page?
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pcarrier it's gonna go into my minio cluster, an S3 clone, stored in plain text to be served over HTTPS at https://found.as/pcarrier or such?
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capjamesg Ah, I thought this was using some of the encryption tech too.
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pcarrier it's using crypto to avoid accounts and passwords passing over the network
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pcarrier but not encryption, only signatures
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capjamesg Yep. Let's talk about the technical details in #indieweb-dev though.
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pcarrier fair enough
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[Joe_Crawford] capjamesg moving my answer to #indieweb-chat
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[0x3b0b] If they're still taking sign-ups (I never got an email when I tried to check it out at the end of 2022, so...not really sure), "haza.website" might be another of the easiest and cheapest on-ramps. Seems "pine.blog" has a "we're leaving soon" banner but I didn't find a blog post or anything explaining why...
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