#indieweb 2024-05-23

2024-05-23 UTC
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club - Pacific is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/i68Swhvi4o4T
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[Joe_Crawford]
^^ this ^^
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[tantek]
[Joe_Crawford]++
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Loqi
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ultrrvioltt
hi! idk what to say lol. been interested in the concept of an indie internet recently and contributing to one. webmaster for a radio station but never built a website or app before from scratch, familiar with front end dev and a little with nextjs but hoping to learn more here !
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ultrrvioltt
ok thats my intro thx
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to2ds
[Joe_Crawford]++
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Loqi
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[Joe_Crawford]
HWC Pacific ended. Thanks everybody for joining!
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[snarfed]
welcome ultrrvioltt! yuo're in the right place!
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[tantek]
welcome ultrrvioltt++
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Loqi
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[Jo]
Welcome!
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cophee
Will join the global one tonight!!
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capjamesg
We have HWC Europe (Morning Edition) in 50 minutes!
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capjamesg
claudinec ^
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club (Global Edition) is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/O1kOoHwSy66q
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capjamesg
We're starting now! Join us! ^^^
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capjamesg
wing_wingpang_com_[d] jeremycherfas ^
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cophee
omw!
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cophee
one sec grabbing charger
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capjamesg
Thank you to everyone who joined HWC!
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cophee
thanks for today!!!
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pcarrier
capjamesg[d]++
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Loqi
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cophee
capjamesg[d]++
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Loqi
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[Joe_Crawford]
Front End Study Hall in a few hours. https://events.indieweb.org/2024/05/front-end-study-hall-003-CHeoDn1hkrMq
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[tantek]
hypothesis: by the time Mastodon "shipped" or "took off", people had already been socialized on social media (e.g. Twitter) to be anti-social, that they brought that default behavior to Mastodon, and hence despite it being distributed, there has been, and continues to be quite a bit of federated outrage (federage)
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[KevinMarks]
This is true, but it's not dominated by rage the way twitter is. BlueSky is also interesting in this way, as it is evolving blocking and labelling norms now too that are filtering things to some extent. Both are places where I can expect more thoughtful replies than twitter
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[tantek]
[KevinMarks] hah, you mean Twitter's algo amplifies rage more than Mastodon's reverse chron?
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[tantek]
also Threads has descended into mostly negative posts already
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[tantek]
there is something quite wrong with social media design assumptions that keeps replicating this emergent anti-pattern of mostly negative posts
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[tantek]
Twitter was NOT mostly negative posts in the beginning
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[tantek]
it was playful & fun
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[Joe_Crawford]
these networks reflect the cultures that people come to them from are a part of... why they're there.
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capjamesg
It's all about people.
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[Joe_Crawford]
early twitter was fun piffle because we didn't realize it might elect presidents and enable revolutions one day
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[KevinMarks]
I have written a few long posts about twitter's descent before now, yes.
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[KevinMarks]
A lot of it was design decisions to amplify engagement, by sending people to those they didn't follow
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to2ds
Pretty much gave up on big social late 2016, early 2017, followed by a few brief reappearances every now and then.
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[Joe_Crawford]
That is the primary problem with Threads. By design it disrespects what I might want to see and read.
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capjamesg
to2ds long time no see! How are things?
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pcarrier
twitter became algorithmic and everything went downhill…
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to2ds
capjamesg - I know. Things have been pretty chaotic for the last month or so. Finally coming up for air :)
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to2ds
In HWC yesterday, I mentioned it was Mayos. May + chaos :D
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[Joe_Crawford]
for me the value of the silo is dependent on who is there and what they're saying and whether I have to sort through things that don't interest me. I'll put up with ads if I don't also get algorithmic additions.
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[Joe_Crawford]
and I think it best to have no qualms whatsoever over unfollowing people whose content is no longer of interest. it's not personal. it's about utility to me. But that meant that the churn of who I follow was high. California Fire near me? Follow local resources. Fire's over, stop. Political news out of some specific place, same deal. And when the news is no longer of interest, unfollow. Very dynamic.
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to2ds
Is Bluesky considered a silo?
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[Joe_Crawford]
The less porous the boundaries, the more it’s a silo. More interop, less silo. That’s my mental model of “silo”—blue sky is more silo than mastodon, less silo than twitter
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[Joe_Crawford]
All of those are less silo than instagram
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to2ds
That makes sense.
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to2ds
Using it primarily for drawing challenges that I enjoyed on birdsite, but it feels kind of ghost town to me.
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[tantek]
mandaris, for more dev-centric/focused posts, feel free to post in #indieweb-dev! (though I agree that the problem statement at the top of your post is quite user-centric)
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[tantek]
btw lots more on footnotes usage & deployment in this community here:
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[tantek]
what are footnotes
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Loqi
A footnote is a typographical convention predating the web for indicating more information is available about a word, phrase, or sentence by the use of an immediately adjacent superscript (usually a number), and the presentation of the same superscript followed by a note, often a citation, in the footer of the page, and sometimes used on the web instead of inline hyperlinks to reduce reader distraction https://indieweb.org/footnotes
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[tantek]
^ no standards per se, however a growing set of conventions
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[tantek]
which is often how standards eventually get proposed, based on existing conventions in actual use!
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Loqi
Front End Study Hall #003 is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/CHeoDn1hkrMq
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capjamesg
Join us! ^^
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capjamesg
[Al_Abut] I have raccoon ipsum:
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capjamesg
[Joe_Crawford]++
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Loqi
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capjamesg
Thank you so much!
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capjamesg
I learned so much.
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[Joe_Crawford]
Thanks for joining everyone. Lots of great stuff in the etherpad! https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2024-05-23-front-end-study-hall
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[tantek]
[Joe_Crawford]++ for facilitating 🙏
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Loqi
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[Joe_Crawford]
I've been alternating Tuesday <--> Thursday every 2 weeks but have a conflict so next FESH will also be a Thursday. Hope to see you there! https://events.indieweb.org/2024/06/front-end-study-hall-004-DVYPvvZYYlHT
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capjamesg
[Joe_Crawford]++
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[Ros]
[Joe_Crawford] ++
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Loqi
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mandaris
I'm missing out!
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mandaris
Thanks [Joe_Crawford]++
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Loqi
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[snarfed]
submitted my application/survey to attend https://2024.xoxofest.com/ ! no clue how selective it is, but I've never been, and I'd love to
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cophee
Morning!!!
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capjamesg
Good morning, wing_wingpang_com_[d]!
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capjamesg
I was just about to go to bed 😂
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cophee
capjamesg[d]: What time is it where you are?
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capjamesg
Midnight.
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capjamesg
Like the Taylor Swift album.
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capjamesg
Except I'm actually listening to The Tortured Poets Department right now.
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cophee
😎
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