#Loqi[Joe_Crawford] has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (41 in all channels)
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#ultrrvioltthi! idk what to say lol. been interested in the concept of an indie internet recently and contributing to one. webmaster for a radio station but never built a website or app before from scratch, familiar with front end dev and a little with nextjs but hoping to learn more here !
#[tantek]hypothesis: by the time Mastodon "shipped" or "took off", people had already been socialized on social media (e.g. Twitter) to be anti-social, that they brought that default behavior to Mastodon, and hence despite it being distributed, there has been, and continues to be quite a bit of federated outrage (federage)
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#[KevinMarks]This is true, but it's not dominated by rage the way twitter is. BlueSky is also interesting in this way, as it is evolving blocking and labelling norms now too that are filtering things to some extent. Both are places where I can expect more thoughtful replies than twitter
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#[tantek][KevinMarks] hah, you mean Twitter's algo amplifies rage more than Mastodon's reverse chron?
#[tantek]also Threads has descended into mostly negative posts already
#[tantek]there is something quite wrong with social media design assumptions that keeps replicating this emergent anti-pattern of mostly negative posts
#[tantek]Twitter was NOT mostly negative posts in the beginning
#pcarriertwitter became algorithmic and everything went downhill…
#to2dscapjamesg - I know. Things have been pretty chaotic for the last month or so. Finally coming up for air :)
#to2dsIn HWC yesterday, I mentioned it was Mayos. May + chaos :D
#[Joe_Crawford]for me the value of the silo is dependent on who is there and what they're saying and whether I have to sort through things that don't interest me. I'll put up with ads if I don't also get algorithmic additions.
#[Joe_Crawford]and I think it best to have no qualms whatsoever over unfollowing people whose content is no longer of interest. it's not personal. it's about utility to me. But that meant that the churn of who I follow was high. California Fire near me? Follow local resources. Fire's over, stop. Political news out of some specific place, same deal. And when the news is no longer of interest, unfollow. Very dynamic.
#[Joe_Crawford]The less porous the boundaries, the more it’s a silo. More interop, less silo. That’s my mental model of “silo”—blue sky is more silo than mastodon, less silo than twitter
#[Joe_Crawford]All of those are less silo than instagram
#[tantek]mandaris, for more dev-centric/focused posts, feel free to post in #indieweb-dev! (though I agree that the problem statement at the top of your post is quite user-centric)
#[tantek]btw lots more on footnotes usage & deployment in this community here:
#LoqiA footnote is a typographical convention predating the web for indicating more information is available about a word, phrase, or sentence by the use of an immediately adjacent superscript (usually a number), and the presentation of the same superscript followed by a note, often a citation, in the footer of the page, and sometimes used on the web instead of inline hyperlinks to reduce reader distraction https://indieweb.org/footnotes
#[tantek]^ no standards per se, however a growing set of conventions
#[tantek]which is often how standards eventually get proposed, based on existing conventions in actual use!