#indieweb 2024-06-04
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[Murray] Been hearing more chatter about http://cara.app, decided to take a look. Seems like a nice idea, but I particularly like this very simple approach to customising the degree of algorithmic influence on a timeline:
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capjamesg[d] [Murray] That's cool!
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[KevinMarks] [capjamesg] see also http://realtimetrains.co.uk
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cophee i find pubsubhubbub such a funny name
# [Joe_Crawford] I think I could make a case that it's an _objectively_ funny name, though humour is subjective.
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[schmarty] cophee: i imagine that's part of why it was renamed to "websub" when w3c published it as a spec :}
# cophee [schmarty]: 😔 pubsubhubbub
# cophee aaronpk: I love this
# cophee So fun
# cophee aaronpk: keeping the fun in web 🫡
# capjamesg[d] aaronpk Why did InternetFriendFinder not get picked? 😂
# cophee capjamesg[d]: or SubWay
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# [Joe_Crawford] https://x.com/sakrafka/status/1797648850678939769 (this is an X dot com thread as a response to Cara and the painful thing is for many artists on the silos, the idea of maintaining a domain website to keep up with fans is something that sometimes doesn't even come up).
# [Joe_Crawford] what are comics?
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Loqi 🎴 comics are one of many types of posts that you can publish on your own site, and usually involve one or more comic image frames laid out sequentially, sometimes with characters drawn in each frame speaking to each other https://indieweb.org/comics
# [Joe_Crawford] I want to do some research on whether there's a good resource that enumerates the considerations for creators to a) create webcomics and b) manage a website with comics on it and c) how and why they do POSSE
# Loqi 🎴 comics are one of many types of posts that you can publish on your own site, and usually involve one or more comic image frames laid out sequentially, sometimes with characters drawn in each frame speaking to each other https://indieweb.org/comic
# paperbritt I've been thinking about the accessibility of comics on the web a lot recently. I'd not come across this in the wiki, it's giving me more to think about.
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# capjamesg[d] to2ds have you thought about this?
# capjamesg[d] Also [Joe_Crawford]?
# hacknorris just a question. is raw xml with css compatible with microformats/webmention?
# [Joe_Crawford] accessibility of comics writ large is a fascinating issue and covered in many venues. My own comics are utterly and completely inaccessible right now. I have no maps. No alt, no description, and it stinks. It's on my own TODO lists.
# [Joe_Crawford] hacknorris - great question - it would depend on the html parsers not exploding at being given xml. not sure that's part of the test suites. Maybe a q for # dev channel though.
# capjamesg[d] On plurality of community: https://jamesg.blog/2024/06/04/plurality-of-community/
# capjamesg[d] Will do!
# capjamesg[d] I have a checkbox for that in my editor. I forgot to check it 😄
# capjamesg[d] Oh, wait, I don't!
# capjamesg[d] I need one.
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[tantek] plurality << 2024-06-04
{{capjamesg}}: [https://jamesg.blog/2024/06/04/plurality-of-community/ Plurality of community]# Loqi ok, I added "2024-06-04
{{capjamesg}}: [https://jamesg.blog/2024/06/04/plurality-of-community/ Plurality of community]" to the "See Also" section of /plurality https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=95690&oldid=89335 hacknorris left the channel
# paperbritt [Joe_Crawford]: Entering all the description and dialogue into the alt text box for an entire page is downright painful on wordpress. It made me think about splitting the comic by panels and then how to tell it about stacking depending on screen size. Easier to do these days. I enjoyed this experiment by Lewis Cowles too, actually making the dialogue text and not just part of the image is an excellent although fiddly thing to do.
# [Joe_Crawford] There's an SVG technique as well which may be instructive. Webcomics is fascinating in that it hits the text vs images dichotomy head on. They smash together hard in comics. It's not either-or.
# [Joe_Crawford] I have a sense that forcing every comic to adapt to every possible screen size and screen shape is onerous and counter to what I want from a work of art, the artist's conception of the work.
# [Joe_Crawford] Neil Cohn's book "The Visual Language of Comics" is fascinating as it goes into cognition and comics. How do we "read" a thing that is words and pictures. It's a rich topic.
# paperbritt Yeah that's the struggle, panel layout sometimes matters. It informs pacing and scene change and sometimes even mood.
# [Joe_Crawford] one (of many) definition of comics is time mapped into 2-d space.
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# [Joe_Crawford] if I have to accommodate optimal viewing for both a typical smartphone and a typical large screen monitor then you've already set a herculean task.
# [Joe_Crawford] natural tension between creative vision and the inherent reader-preference first nature of the web
# [Joe_Crawford] I ain't straw-manning shit.
# [Joe_Crawford] I have some copies of RAW which are brilliant and I can't imagine being at any other size than the 11x17" size (I think that's what it is) and then I have minicomics 3x3" that I can't imagine any other way. the web collapses that specificity.
# [Joe_Crawford] back to earlier: I definitely have a lot of comics on the web, webcomics, and adjacent thoughts I clearly have not fully baked but got to get to baking. 😄
# [Joe_Crawford] paperbritt++ and yes, panel layout is 1000% important to whatever storytelling, mood-making, picture-making a creator is doing
# paperbritt Maybe I'll go all Scott McCloud and do a comic about comics on the web.
# [Joe_Crawford] as have magazines, adapting photo layouts to the web
# [Joe_Crawford] Yes to Scott McCloud 🙂
# [Joe_Crawford] I remember reading this history of webcomics: https://www.tcj.com/the-history-of-webcomics/ (2011)
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# paperbritt I was expecting this to read as a bit dated towards the end but, no. We're still in that final time period, 2007 to present, comics mostly experienced as memes on social media.
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# [Joe_Crawford] creative solution. I've also seen long panels split into squares. so much adaptation and creativity.
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[aciccarello] Squares seem a lot more flexible layout-wise
# [aciccarello] But I'd guess not every artist wants that constraint
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Plurality of community" https://jamesg.blog/2024/06/04/plurality-of-community/
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# [KevinMarks] Have you looked at how kindle handles comics? They have an overview /panel by panel mode where you scroll to the next panel with dialog fitting
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# [KevinMarks] Their explanation
# [Joe_Crawford] Yes! An additional presentation possibility. Checking what few comics I have in Kindle I note that not all individual panels can get directly focused. Smaller panels can get grouped. Attached for example, is 2/3rds of the width of a page. But I don't see a way to go panel by panel on each small square panel for example. Comics are a extraordinarily rich as a topic for me. 🙂
# [Joe_Crawford] From _Harley Quinn, Black & White_ #3.
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# capjamesg[d] ryokagriffin[d]: It will be a fascinating archive over time!
# IWDiscord <ryokagriffin>
# ryokagriffin capjamesg[d]: Yeah I'm excited to get a few years deep and look back and be ashamed at just how many TV shows I watched 😅
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