#indieweb 2024-09-16

2024-09-16 UTC
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jacky https://localghost.dev/blog/new-garden-theme/ this theme is giving me inspiration for October (I have _so_ many pixel art packs from the brief moment I wanted to try getting into game development) and making a theme is way easier than making a game 👁️‍🗨️
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jacky I have to be invited to #indieweb-chat?
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jacky (on IRC)
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jacky but I'm ident'd with the services (I think, at least)
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[tantek] Jacky -> #indieweb-meta for chat channel stuff
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dmowitz sebbu, is what you mean that it should be easier to get a list of "similar" items from the page of one specific one?
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sebbu dmowitz, i was trying to get the list of the official successive subdivisions of the country (region, department, township, agglomerations, etc...) with their capital / county seat (or main city or whatever the term is for each subdivision level)
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sebbu and wikipedia (and hence wikidata) doesn't always has the same links between them
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sebbu lots of time the link is only in one way and not the other (not always the same), sometimes it skips a level, etc...
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sebbu even the names of the relation wasn't constant
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sebbu in the UI (wikipedia), it works, ppl recognize the different synonyms/meanings
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sebbu for queries, it's harder
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sebbu and if a relation level is missing, they check it manually
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sebbu at the end, i downloaded some CSV from INSEE, and it worked
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sebbu (a national statistic organization)
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sebbu because i couldn't make the query working
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sebbu so people looking for your painting from author or museum (where they're displayed) might not find them easily, without looking through the full list
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dmowitz Hmm idk, http://www.zone47.com/crotos/ seems to find paintings fine by both querying through author and museum… Obviously only as long as they're in the dataset and have the required metadata.
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dmowitz And the dataset isn't perfect, but at least the links that are there are somewhat permanent
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dmowitz But I feel like this is turning into more of a -dev discussion?
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doesnm where i can find indiecert's archive copy?
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gRegor what is indiecert?
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Loqi IndieCert was a service to authenticate to services around the web without using usernames and passwords https://indieweb.org/IndieCert
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gRegor Not sure if anyone here has more information, might try contacting the author (or at least person who started that page) https://indieweb.org/User:Wwelves.org_perpetual-tripper
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gRegor Though looks like their personal site is gone too :/
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doesnm webarchive has repository site snapshot. But can't download
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[mattl] what is magic link
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "magic link" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "magic link is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[mattl] magic link is a term used by lots of services that send you an email with a link to click instead of relying on a password.
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] what is a magic link
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Loqi A Capability URL (AKA magic link, hard to guess URL, or secret URL) is a URL that provides access to a resource to anyone who has the URL without an explicit login https://indieweb.org/magic_link
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[tantek] ^ [mattl] hopefully that's what you meant / is meant by "magic link". If there's another meaning then it may be worth distinguishing in the page
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[mattl] ahh, no I meant the other one. Just did that State of HTML survey. I'll fix.
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[tantek] like it's a special case of capability URL? or something else?
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[tantek] because in both cases, "instead of relying on a password" and "without an explicit login" seem the same unless I'm missing something
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[tantek] some are used for viewing only, some are used for signing-in, but both are capability URLs AFAIK
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[tantek] maybe some are one-time or limited time-window use
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[tantek] all seems worth documenting on the same page though
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[tantek] I would suspect people searching for one of the naming variants might not be aware of such distinctions
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[tantek] so having them all redirect to the same page seems more helpful for discovery
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[mattl] yeah, i added the authentication to the article. I'd never heard of a capability URL.
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[tantek] I think I only know it because it's an old W3C term (older than "magic link" I'm pretty sure)
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[mattl] oh i'm sure.
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[KevinMarks] this is great indieweb friendly news https://lea.verou.me/blog/2024/awesome/